HRT F111 Cosworth

[ESPImperium]

1] Hispania would work without Kolles, i have no doubt.
2] Geoff Willis is the TD, but could take a step up and leave the Aero dept to the Ex Brawn and Ex Red Bull aero guys.
3] Toyota KERS is the same as the Magnetti system the Renault and Ferrari engines have with a few small changes.

Nakajimma wouldnt come back i think. As Hispania would pay arround €8m for the Toyota power plant for the season.

[cbbcisace]

I think that would be exciting for the team, Hispania Racing Toyota has a nice ring too it, they are HRT after all.

If Toyota signed up with Hispania and they produce a solid car next year with maybe Alguersauri in the team next year and his backing, I don't think they would be a laughing stock anymore!

Maybe Sam Michael to be TD next year.

Is there any reason why Hispania are maybe wanting to get rid of Kolles?

[PlatinumZealot]

I don't think they will ever drop karthekeyan with all that TATA money. And they sure are going to look silly next year with Two slow drivers! Wait! Well If Toyota brings enough money, maybe they can drop old Kar keys! Then again, young Nakajima will be back!

So Nakajima, Luizzi then?

[ESPImperium]

The only reason i can think Kolles is leaving is down to the way he handles finances. Look at the mess he left Spyker/Force India, they are still unraveling the books for that period. Force India had to pay the UK Her Majestys Revenue & Customs department a unpaid tax bill of £3.8m last year just to stay in buisness.

I think Willis could take the step up as ultimatly he is a better manager than TD in my opinion. Id recon that Sam Michael will take the TD role with a small R&D department of arround 30-35 people and arround 15-20 guys in the tunnel.

If they get the advertising from Telefonica and Repsol for €8m a year from both potential sponsors, id recon that Alguersauri is a posibility, as he brings €6m to Toro Rosso in sponsor money as well. With Liuzzi, they would make a good fast pairing.

If they got Toyota engines, they would pay for the supply, also they would pay for the Magnetti KERS as well, whitch would be €10m for the Toyota RVX-09 and Magnetti KERS in total, with the €5.5m they are paying Williams for gearbox supply, thats a sizeable amount out of the budget.

If they come up with a handy enough car, id recon they will be where Team Lotus are this year, maybes slightly futher up.

However this is all subjecture at present, as there maybe a good ammount of 1 + 1 = 3 in it. Untill a concrete press release comes out, its all down to a guessing game.

[marcush.]

Kolles did one hell of a job to make them even participate in a GraqndPrix and he kept the thing afloat and not even dead last in overall standings.
He has lured Willis into the team and he is still on board.
I´m sure there is a lot of value to this guy.

[senzafine]

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[sirf1]

The only reason i Tonio Liuzzi is driving for HRT this year is because Vijay Mallya bought him the seat(bcoz he had a FI contract for 2011), now i am sure there is no body to buy him a seat for 2012.

It would be very difficult for HRT to drop Narain ,
1. For the TATA money
2. Sponsors like Speed(BP) & Base Batteries will not look into F1 if it was not for Narain.
4. It is also a fact that HRT were really struggling for cash bcoz, Narain was not intrested in f1 and rather doing well in NASCAR, it was HRT who went after NK in 2011 and 2010(Narain & Kolles had previously admitted). So even if HRT find a repsol,Telefonica patnership i guess Liuzzi would have to go and not Narain.

And looking at the time sheets and race in canada and monaco i also found that Narain was faster on race laps compared to liuzzi and in canada was running ahead of Alonso and Button at the half way mark b4 HRT messes it all in the pits and making him a a lap down.


Just look @ team LOTUS they have,
1.2 GP winning drivers
2.Renault engines
Yet 0 points,
u first need the car then the drivers.

[marcush.]

So with Willis ,Eackeleart and Savage all ex BAR/Honda team members joining the techdepartment, HRT looks set to challenge Team lotus in 2012 methinks.
Suddenly I understand how many people ar not at Mercedes anymore..

[snorri788]

u first need the car then the drivers.

Not necessarily. It’s important for these teams to have F1 driving experience so that the team can develop the car based on the driver’s feedback. A more experienced driver provides better feedback. Remember last year when Christian Klien was brought on board and the team managed to gain around .5 seconds just through set up changes. This is a huge area where these teams can make gains.

On the flipside of that, emerging teams also want money to develop the car, and thus want to bring in a pay driver to put stickers on the car. Narain fills both of these criteria (although one could argue that he doesn’t have THAT much experience in setup seeing as he hasn’t got much experience of these generation of F1 cars).

A Spanish driver would be a great boon to this team. However I think they might have trouble luring Jaime unless he is dumped by STR with nowhere to go. His Valencia race was excellent and if he scores points again at Silverstone I can see him being retained no trouble. It’s really just a fight in that team to not be the guy that gets booted in favour of Daniel Ricciardo.

[marcush.]

Glock ,Trulli,Kovalainen and Liuzzi are bringing in experience on one side but maybe unpleasant pressure and a destructive element to the outfit as well.
Kova is gold for lotus ...but Trulli I´m not so sure.Glock really went for the wrong team and overestimated the contribution he could make or better the effect of it.He certainly is not Schumacher or Vettel and thats really the issue for them all ...they all are not really topline drivers but any speed deficit or underachieving is instantly put at the door of the team ,technical department without any further discussion.
I think in thios situation the driver is maybe not in the best position to extract all of his abilities for the good of the team.

[snorri788]

Glock was a bit unlucky I think. When Toyota folded the only real options of somewhere to go were the new teams. Lotus was the one with genuine promise not only because of the financial backing but also the good technical foundation, and Hispania only wanted pay drivers to get money in. Back at the beginning of 2010 Virgin were a bit of an unknown quantity. They kept hyping up this all CFD method as the way forward but after testing and the early races of the season went past the car kept showing design oversights (fuel tank) and a massive amount of technical gremlins.

Hopefully their 2012 car will be more competitive after the departure of Wirth. Can they bring on board Pat Symonds as a full time guy or is he limited to consultancy for a lot longer. Hispania breaking partnership with Dallara was one of the best things could have done IMHO. Anyone got a pace comparison of the 2011 vs. last years?

[marcush.]

HRT are doing a very good job considering what a mess Kolles took over only little more than a year ago.
They made the right choice signing paydrivers...as a driver might be .5seconds quicker but who cares when you are 4 seconds behind anyways.
There was not a hint of a chance to get into a points scoring position for all the newcomers so paying a driver is a loss of money in the first year and just romatic stuff.
Kolles somehow convinced Willis to come and stay realising you need a respected headfigure to attract more people from inside f1 who are to be counted to the good ones ..not those with questionmarks written all over their loads of different teamshirts.
Very good strategy also with their reload F110 car...these are pros working inside
their constraints and maximising the potential.
To get Liuzzi and receive money from mallya for it is also a cracker of a deal.So Colles sold Spyker to mallya and got some decent cash this year to take over one of their obsolete drivers..thats a clever salesman.

[JGomezH]

Glock was a bit unlucky I think. When Toyota folded the only real options of somewhere to go were the new teams. Lotus was the one with genuine promise not only because of the financial backing but also the good technical foundation, and Hispania only wanted pay drivers to get money in. Back at the beginning of 2010 Virgin were a bit of an unknown quantity. They kept hyping up this all CFD method as the way forward but after testing and the early races of the season went past the car kept showing design oversights (fuel tank) and a massive amount of technical gremlins.

Hopefully their 2012 car will be more competitive after the departure of Wirth. Can they bring on board Pat Symonds as a full time guy or is he limited to consultancy for a lot longer. Hispania breaking partnership with Dallara was one of the best things could have done IMHO. Anyone got a pace comparison of the 2011 vs. last years?

HRT F1 GP Canada (2011 vs 2010)

[snorri788]

HRT F1 GP Canada (2011 vs 2010)

Slightly mixed bag but on the whole a bit more pace in this year’s car compared to last. Looking forward to what kind of progress they can make next year.

[dice782]

So its looks like Redbull have bought a HRT seat for Daniel Ricciardo, hopefully there will be an improvement in quali