2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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kc_f1 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 14:35
Not a redbull fan, but I would say that the race directors messed it up today. They should have pulled out the red flag immediately. The calls should not favour one set of drivers and put others at a disadvantage. Everyone needs to be treated fairly.
Leclerc set a lap time 4-5 seconds after Stroll had crashed that put Verstappen 11th. At that point you had the best part of 1 minute 35 seconds on the clock, with a fast lap being in the 1.25's. So there would be very little chance that Verstappen wouldve been able to complete an outlap and make the chequered flag before its fallen, with how slow people go out of the pits on their outlaps. And McLaren could just send out Norris and Piastri in the fastlane straight away and block Verstappen from doing anything.

So in this instance, its not really the directors fault for the red flag making Verstappen miss Q3. Sure, he wouldve been 11th (prior to his penalty) rather than the odd place lower down, but.. yeah.

If you wanna argue the point of red flag being late, then thats another situation. And you gotta allow the stewards SOME time to see the incident, judge how serious it is, before making a decision. I know people would complain if the red flag was waived prematurely. It happend.. last year I think, in Spain with Bottas spinning. And I remember it happend a few times that season, and noone likes that. So you gotta given them sufficent time. What you feel is 'sufficent' is debateable, but in this instance, the red flag didnt really matter for championship.

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Vettel165 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 15:04
stewie325 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 15:01
With a better driver, McLaren would have wrapped up the drivers WDC a long time ago.

It's a shocker that Red Bull are still somewhat in it, but won't be surprising if they lose both championships by a landslide.

The rumours of the FIA removing something in the RB20's suspension around Miami are surely the only explanation for such a dip in performance... I can't remember a bigger downfall mid-season ever - maybe apart from Ferrari's fuel flow trickery being nerfed.
Agree this is why for weeks I have been saying if Max wins it would be his best title ever. On other side if it doesnt happen, at least we can say he gave its absolute maximum to fight for it with the third best car in the second part of the season. I think its 70-30% now with chances being better for Lando.
What are you talking about ? :lol:

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Spoutnik wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 15:11
Vettel165 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 15:04
stewie325 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 15:01
With a better driver, McLaren would have wrapped up the drivers WDC a long time ago.

It's a shocker that Red Bull are still somewhat in it, but won't be surprising if they lose both championships by a landslide.

The rumours of the FIA removing something in the RB20's suspension around Miami are surely the only explanation for such a dip in performance... I can't remember a bigger downfall mid-season ever - maybe apart from Ferrari's fuel flow trickery being nerfed.
Agree this is why for weeks I have been saying if Max wins it would be his best title ever. On other side if it doesnt happen, at least we can say he gave its absolute maximum to fight for it with the third best car in the second part of the season. I think its 70-30% now with chances being better for Lando.
What are you talking about ? :lol:
Just my opinion. Of course hoping I am wrong.

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You can make a lot of money on your pessimism by betting on Lando for WDC if you believe it, max is at like 80% in the betting markets still.

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avantman wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 15:06
The so-called performance drop-off started when Mclaren brought B) spec heavily revised, their truly new 2024 car to the track in Miami. The rest is just speculation, that wasn't even echoed by their rivals. Could you imagine there was some sort of cheat, or just grey area solution, which Zak never even hinted on? I personally can't. Kravitz, who is anyone but Max and red bull lover, said he talked to lots of people and engineers in the paddock and noone said it could've been truth.
Exactly. I think that Miami "dip" is really a non issue, Red Bull was quite fast for a long time after that and only started to really lose ground much later (when Mercedes and Ferrari improved).

It does look like Red Bull development throughout the year was bad this year. Other teams clearly outdeveloped them.

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If the race happens, this is going to be a hell of a recovery drive by Max.

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Aborted start means wait for further instructions, they say on Sky, like Max did. Lando drove with no green light. If Herbert et al are fair, slam dunk penalty for Lando (and should be for all the others that followed too).

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Up to 10th in one lap plus one turn. Amazing.

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The replay from Verstappen's POV at start, damn

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Talk about heavy rain coming later, might get red flagged if its bad, so Max needs to clear those cars soon.

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FNTC wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 18:14
Talk about heavy rain coming later, might get red flagged if its bad, so Max needs to clear those cars soon.
Leclerc is quite fast out of last corner so its hard for Max to get close enough.

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Red flag. Wow, what a brilliant strategy move by Red Bull. Insane.

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FNTC wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 18:39
Red flag. Wow, what a brilliant strategy move by Red Bull. Insane.
That has worked really well, unfortunately it took a driver to smash themselves up for it to happen, FIA this weekend has been Abysmal

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Love wet races.

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That worked nicely but it was a gamble. Fair play from the strategists