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[f1isgood]

Max says he feels comfortable in the car and can push when he needs to and not make mistakes. So it has to be a significant step in terms of ease to drive over last year. Perhaps Lawson is just suffering under the pressure.

That is not correct. It's all about driving skills and RB21 is too hard for untalented.

“I think Liam Lawson would go faster in the Racing Bulls car. Our car is extremely difficult.”

— Verstappen

https://lastwordonsports.com/motorsport ... the-vcarb/

I think both of you are correct. Max said what organic said yesterday and what you posted today lol.

It's an interesting car for sure.

[Cs98]

I wonder if the car is even faster than the VCARB at this point. Gap back to the lead VCARB has been 2 tenths both weekends. Yuki and Lawson were evenly matched last season in quali, now Lawson isn't even getting out of Q1.

I think cars are just very close over one lap. Even VCARB is only 4 tenths behind McLaren. This is not surprising in these regulations where even Haas was just very fast over a lap. The top teams also have better race pace for which I am yet to see any concrete evidence VCARB is close to Red Bull tbh. Even the sprint today I think it's not the actual pace of Red Bull. Max eased off quite a bit after Piastri passed him.

He didn't ease off, the front tyres died completely. Russell was within 1,5s with a lap to go, you don't let someone that close just for the fun of it.

I think the RB has slightly more potential in it, but the VCARB is a much tamer beast that can more easily be taken to its limit.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Max says he feels comfortable in the car and can push when he needs to and not make mistakes. So it has to be a significant step in terms of ease to drive over last year. Perhaps Lawson is just suffering under the pressure.

That is not correct. It's all about driving skills and RB21 is too hard for untalented.

“I think Liam Lawson would go faster in the Racing Bulls car. Our car is extremely difficult.”

— Verstappen

https://lastwordonsports.com/motorsport ... the-vcarb/

I think both of you are correct. Max said what organic said yesterday and what you posted today lol.

It's an interesting car for sure.

Maybe Max means that the car is difficult but he is comfortable with it because he can handle it.

[nitrotech]

Not since 90s where a team produced bad cars that were hustled by one driver to where it didn't belong, that we now have Red Bull taking that unwanted tag. In this modern era, they are producing cars that only one exceptional driver is putting it where it hardly belong, which is such a shame. Red Bull is to F1 what HRC is to Motogp. Their cars would be decorating last spot on the grid if not for Max. If they want to build better cars, they need to prioritize their second driver and deeply understand why those drivers are struggling.

They should first throw Marko out of the setup. His presence makes the junior drivers lose all their confidence and brings so much negative publicity. My hunch is, it's his presence that is responsible for Red Bull not putting the right engineers and mechanics on the second driver's side to fully understand their struggles. Max can do without much attention as he can drive any car.

[AR3-GP]

The Racing Bulls shouldn't be this close to Max. Hadjar said he made mistakes on his lap which is only 2.5 tenths back. Hadjar has not even been to this circuit before...

[Juzh]

Verstappen's Q3 lap 1.30.817
I think he pulled a perfect T1-2-3 sequence. Right on the apex in all the right places. This is how he got that purple S1. He's a tenth ahead of russel and piastri coming out of T3 and 2 tenths ahead of hamilton.

https://streamable.com/5pzkkk

[JordanMugen]

Not since 90s where a team produced bad cars that were hustled by one driver to where it didn't belong, that we now have Red Bull taking that unwanted tag. In this modern era, they are producing cars that only one exceptional driver is putting it where it hardly belong, which is such a shame.

I strongly disagree. Benetton took the WDCs and so has Red Bull, four of them even.

The notion alternative approaches have been working better for Ferrari or Mercedes is simply untrue. It is Red Bull with 4xWDC!

My gut feel says Redbull should break parc ferme' and massively change the setup on the 2nd RB21 to make it 'slower' by inducing some understeer into the car, that will make it more 'tame'. But it requires the team to step out of their tunnel vision

It's baked into the aerodynamics, the floor and bodywork, and cannot be changed by wings and suspension only. That would require either (1) developing two different cars , which is silly, or (2) making the car slower overall like Ferrari did for Sainz at the expense of Leclerc. To do the latter is also silly.

Leclerc loved the Ferrari at the start of 2022 with its strong rotation! Making Sainz more comfortable got Ferrari no closer to a WDC, in fact much further away...

Personally, the aspect I liked most is having a strong front end. At the beginning of the [2022] season the insertion [at the front end] was just what I like.

- Charles Leclerc
https://scuderiafans.com/charles-lecler ... r-in-2022/

A car cannot be fast with understeer. It's impossible.

- Max Verstappen
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/verst ... /10419464/

[f1isgood]

I wonder if the car is even faster than the VCARB at this point. Gap back to the lead VCARB has been 2 tenths both weekends. Yuki and Lawson were evenly matched last season in quali, now Lawson isn't even getting out of Q1.

I think cars are just very close over one lap. Even VCARB is only 4 tenths behind McLaren. This is not surprising in these regulations where even Haas was just very fast over a lap. The top teams also have better race pace for which I am yet to see any concrete evidence VCARB is close to Red Bull tbh. Even the sprint today I think it's not the actual pace of Red Bull. Max eased off quite a bit after Piastri passed him.

He didn't ease off, the front tyres died completely. Russell was within 1,5s with a lap to go, you don't let someone that close just for the fun of it.

I think the RB has slightly more potential in it, but the VCARB is a much tamer beast that can more easily be taken to its limit.

In that case, optimistically tomorrow is a P6? Assuming that Ferraris go forward which they should given the pace they have shown so far.

[f1isgood]

Verstappen's Q3 lap 1.30.817
I think he pulled a perfect T1-2-3 sequence. Right on the apex in all the right places. This is how he got that purple S1. He's a tenth ahead of russel and piastri coming out of T3 and 2 tenths ahead of hamilton.

https://streamable.com/5pzkkk

A big difference as well with how he took those sequences of corners yesterday. This car seems to have more front end. Hopefully better tire management with all that front end for tomorrow.

[Bill]

The Racing Bulls shouldn't be this close to Max. Hadjar said he made mistakes on his lap which is only 2.5 tenths back. Hadjar has not even been to this circuit before...

Yuki too made a mistake and aborted his lap ,its probably his worst track on the calendar last year he was 0.8 tenth behind ric. i dont agree that Rb should be close to Max these team use parts from the dustbin of redbull and just dont have the budget and resource to take it to 8 times world champion.the tires are trick and inconsistent from one set to another so they is an element of lottery .just look at Lando . the wind didn't help either

[Cs98]

I think cars are just very close over one lap. Even VCARB is only 4 tenths behind McLaren. This is not surprising in these regulations where even Haas was just very fast over a lap. The top teams also have better race pace for which I am yet to see any concrete evidence VCARB is close to Red Bull tbh. Even the sprint today I think it's not the actual pace of Red Bull. Max eased off quite a bit after Piastri passed him.

He didn't ease off, the front tyres died completely. Russell was within 1,5s with a lap to go, you don't let someone that close just for the fun of it.

I think the RB has slightly more potential in it, but the VCARB is a much tamer beast that can more easily be taken to its limit.

In that case, optimistically tomorrow is a P6? Assuming that Ferraris go forward which they should given the pace they have shown so far.

Well if the deg is as bad as today then yeah, probably P6. But they've obviously changed the car a bit, it's a likely two stop, and it's Max so you never know.

[Bill]

redbull told us after testing that they have have solved last year problems and that the car was now benign and ease to drive and not prone to snapping .were they lying .their chief tech director said he didnt care about wider working window he will just build the best possible car .

[venkyhere]

I am observing on several threads, terms like graining/deg etc used interchangeably.

My understanding is :
1) Degradation
too many heating and cooling cycles or sustained high temperatures by the 'core' of the tyre, causing the elasticity of the sidewalls to diminish, resulting in a tyre that isn't flexing like a spring under loading unloading, thus reducing 'available grip' (shrinking of the circle/ellipse in the simplified 'grip diagram')
2) Graining
the tyre tread (surface contact rubber) being higher temp than the core, due to under/over steer 'sliding' when new tyres are not 'brought in' gently vide a too soon 'attack lap' OR purely from extremely high track temperatures ; due to either of which, the surface gets overheated too soon, before the core has jumped up to optimal temp.
3) Blistering
the tyre core has reached/maintains higher temperature than the surface tread, because of low track temperatures and no sliding by the tyres (gentle corners only) but with high longitudinal/lateral acceleration due to heavy braking and high speed corners.

Correct my errors and let me know what the Chinese GP is imposing on the front left and the rear tyres. Deg and graining on the front left and just deg on the rear tyres ?

[FNTC]

Is the Racing Bulls car faster than the Red Bull this weekend? It's almost starting to look that way. At least in qualy pace. Very strange.

[Bill]

cars that are unsually quick on one lap will struggle over race distance .in australia the midfield team were over a second slower over race distance .its easy to put a good lap when u are relying on tire grip but over long distance you need good downforce to protect the tires