Jackie Stewart F1 legends question (aka is F1 too safe)

[SeijaKessen]

I do not believe in slowing tracks down in knee-jerk methods.

What I suggested would still have left risk involved if any driver went off in that corner.

Better than the chicane that got put in place where all risk/reward associated with the corner is gone.

[Nando]

He's driving a midfield car fielded by a team that doesn't know what they are doing.

Not sure why you would expect more.

So you don´t deny the car is hard to handle?

I rest my case.

[timbo]

I do not believe in slowing tracks down in knee-jerk methods.

And how many tracks are slowed down? Apart from the temporary chicanes being installed (and later remover) at places like Montreal and Monza most of the track mods were done in attempt to provide more overtaking opportunities.

What I suggested would still have left risk involved if any driver went off in that corner.

Better than the chicane that got put in place where all risk/reward associated with the corner is gone.

As I said the chicane was done because there was no way to make a proper run-off.

[SeijaKessen]

He's driving a midfield car fielded by a team that doesn't know what they are doing.

Not sure why you would expect more.

So you don´t deny the car is hard to handle?

I rest my case.

Hard to handle?

A car can be easy to handle, but it may not have the performance relative to everyone else.

I'd quit now if I were you.

[SeijaKessen]

I do not believe in slowing tracks down in knee-jerk methods.

And how many tracks are slowed down? Apart from the temporary chicanes being installed (and later remover) at places like Montreal and Monza most of the track mods were done in attempt to provide more overtaking opportunities.

What I suggested would still have left risk involved if any driver went off in that corner.

Better than the chicane that got put in place where all risk/reward associated with the corner is gone.

As I said the chicane was done because there was no way to make a proper run-off.

Proper run-off...lol...Spa looks great with the parking lots. While Bernie is bending them over, maybe they can just paint white lines in all those spots and charge for parking. It might help cover some costs!

Check out the Tilkedromes.

90 degree turns everywhere!

No more real sweeping high speed corners to be found!

How's the Osterreichring and the Bosch Kurve doing?

What about the old Hockenheimring with no chicane heading into the Ostkurve...or even the old Hockenheimring altogether?

Remember when the Curva Grande at Monza used actually be grande?

Truthfully, this discussion is pointless now.

You have your own beliefs on this subject, just as I have mine. Neither one of us will budge and I accept it. Although I suppose Nando still can't right buddy?

[timbo]

Check out the Tilkedromes.

90 degree turns everywhere!

No more real sweeping high speed corners to be found!

And how about turn 8 in Turkey?

You have your own beliefs on this subject, just as I have mine.

I have pretty low tolerance when the deal is about safety. Thinking we're too safe is dangerous. It leads to complacency.
Before Senna and Ratzenberger died there were 8 years without a fatality in F1 and 12 years without deaths during GP weekend. And at those days there were comments about "incredible safety" of "modern F1 cars". More so, the accidents of Berger, Donnelly etc were not treated as alarms, but were heralded as a demonstration of safety.
There are things to be learned from that.

[SeijaKessen]

Check out the Tilkedromes.

90 degree turns everywhere!

No more real sweeping high speed corners to be found!

And how about turn 8 in Turkey?

You have your own beliefs on this subject, just as I have mine.

I have pretty low tolerance when the deal is about safety. Thinking we're too safe is dangerous. It leads to complacency.
Before Senna and Ratzenberger died there were 8 years without a fatality in F1 and 12 years without deaths during GP weekend. And at those days there were comments about "incredible safety" of "modern F1 cars". More so, the accidents of Berger, Donnelly etc were not treated as alarms, but were heralded as a demonstration of safety.
There are things to be learned from that.

Everyone has a choice.

I don't subscribe to the whole notion of protecting people from themselves.

Racing is not essential to living.

[xpensive]

In all honesty, I don't get this "safety-theme" in racing, mountaineers and bull-fighters die once in a while, don't they?

[SeijaKessen]

In all honesty, I don't get this "safety-theme" in racing, mountaineers and bull-fighters die once in a while, don't they?

NFL players here in the US face shortened lifespans due to the physicals dangers in American football.

People continue to want to play professionally even in spite of all of the evidence coming out that constantly taking high impact blows tends to be a bad thing.

Boxers run the risk of health issues later in life because amazingly, taking punches to the head has turned out to be bad for one's health!

People know this, and they choose to do it anyway.

Big deal.

I loved Senna, and I do wish he was still alive, as I do with countless others.

It would have been nice to see a round table in the 21st century with Jimmy Clark, Ayrton Senna, Bruce McLaren, Jo Siffert, Jochen Rindt, Ronnie Peterson, Gilles Villeneuve, and others all sitting at it in discussion. However, what people forget is that one of the reasons that some of the drivers are so legendary now is because they died behind the wheel of a car. That adds to the allure these men all have now. The one thing I always will enjoy about Senna's death, is in knowing as he went into the Tamburello, unlike any other driver, he was in first place, and was unbeaten by the SOB behind him.

[xpensive]

Out of the blue this reminded me, the business we have chosen, right strad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PteyEDStTOE

[strad]

There were 14 fatalies out of 220+ drivers competing during '60s.

220?? Show me that list. There were for the most part, less than 25 guys that were qualified to drive and that includes ones you aint never heard of.
Nando:
Just drop it...all you want to do is argue...troll is the word I believe.

[SeijaKessen]

Out of the blue this reminded me, the business we have chosen, right strad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PteyEDStTOE

I should upvote this.

After all, upvoting is all opinion anyway eh?

[xpensive]

Completely taken out of context of course, but isn't it, for most people involved in any walk of life?

[timbo]

There were 14 fatalies out of 220+ drivers competing during '60s.

220?? Show me that list. There were for the most part, less than 25 guys that were qualified to drive and that includes ones you aint never heard of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... ne_drivers

[Nando]

I don't subscribe to the whole notion of protecting people from themselves.
Racing is not essential to living.