2016 United States Grand Prix - COTA, 21-23 October

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Re: 2016 United States Grand Prix - COTA, 21-23 October

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Just_a_fan wrote:Yes, it does look like Nico has tamed his mental beast in terms of pressure/nerves. If he could just tame is inclination to do silly things during pressure overtakes, he'd probably set himself up for another championship win.
If he can defend himself without weird movemments I think Lewis will start to respect him more and their battles will be cleaner.

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diego.liv wrote:Well ofc is risky! What are we talking about otherwise?? Lewis needs external help since he can't win the championship with Mercs 1&2s. I recall him telling "I can't care about Nico's race, I'm focused on mine", truth or not the whole comment , that's the safest strategy for him. So iotar IF Lewis is in front
-Mercs advantage can help him avoid undercut by non-Merc
-fair or not, he would be playing with Nico's ability/actual chance to overtake him on track, Merc can't simply pit Nico after few laps because of Lewis' behaviour
-apart from Hungary 15 with Mercs on different strategies, in another occasion IIRC Nico was asking the pitwall to tell to push more (because of Ferraris maybe)
If Mercedes thinks one driver is purposefully driving slowly, then they can pit the following driver first. One of the previous races, I think there was a warning to Hamilton from his engineer that they would pit Nico first.

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LionKing wrote:
diego.liv wrote:Well ofc is risky! What are we talking about otherwise?? Lewis needs external help since he can't win the championship with Mercs 1&2s. I recall him telling "I can't care about Nico's race, I'm focused on mine", truth or not the whole comment , that's the safest strategy for him. So iotar IF Lewis is in front
-Mercs advantage can help him avoid undercut by non-Merc
-fair or not, he would be playing with Nico's ability/actual chance to overtake him on track, Merc can't simply pit Nico after few laps because of Lewis' behaviour
-apart from Hungary 15 with Mercs on different strategies, in another occasion IIRC Nico was asking the pitwall to tell to push more (because of Ferraris maybe)
If Mercedes thinks one driver is purposefully driving slowly, then they can pit the following driver first. One of the previous races, I think there was a warning to Hamilton from his engineer that they would pit Nico first.
They did that while the team was fighting for the constructors' title. Now they've won that, I would expect them to be more hands off. To tell the leading driver not to do that would be favouring the other driver which would be wrong when there is a fight for the title between the drivers.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
LionKing wrote:
diego.liv wrote:Well ofc is risky! What are we talking about otherwise?? Lewis needs external help since he can't win the championship with Mercs 1&2s. I recall him telling "I can't care about Nico's race, I'm focused on mine", truth or not the whole comment , that's the safest strategy for him. So iotar IF Lewis is in front
-Mercs advantage can help him avoid undercut by non-Merc
-fair or not, he would be playing with Nico's ability/actual chance to overtake him on track, Merc can't simply pit Nico after few laps because of Lewis' behaviour
-apart from Hungary 15 with Mercs on different strategies, in another occasion IIRC Nico was asking the pitwall to tell to push more (because of Ferraris maybe)
If Mercedes thinks one driver is purposefully driving slowly, then they can pit the following driver first. One of the previous races, I think there was a warning to Hamilton from his engineer that they would pit Nico first.
They did that while the team was fighting for the constructors' title. Now they've won that, I would expect them to be more hands off. To tell the leading driver not to do that would be favouring the other driver which would be wrong when there is a fight for the title between the drivers.
They still want to finish 1/2. Nothing changes due to the title.
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Nuvolari wrote:
holeindalip wrote:Still hasn't even made a pass on Lewis for 3 yrs now and will probably be wdc
Er...how about last year at this exact track? :lol:

Please explain??

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holeindalip wrote:
Nuvolari wrote:
holeindalip wrote:Still hasn't even made a pass on Lewis for 3 yrs now and will probably be wdc
Er...how about last year at this exact track? :lol:

Please explain??
What he is referring is to the farce of Mercedes strategy that allowed Nico a pit stop and fresh set of tires in the safety car period.
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holeindalip wrote:
Nuvolari wrote:
holeindalip wrote:Still hasn't even made a pass on Lewis for 3 yrs now and will probably be wdc
Er...how about last year at this exact track? :lol:

Please explain??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qK2em18Tls
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basti313 wrote:
holeindalip wrote:
Nuvolari wrote:
Er...how about last year at this exact track? :lol:

Please explain??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qK2em18Tls
That's it! Also rewatch the start of Spanish GP this year. Around the outside at T1...Bam!

Next. :mrgreen:

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Nuvolari wrote:
basti313 wrote:
holeindalip wrote:

Please explain??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qK2em18Tls
That's it! Also rewatch the start of Spanish GP this year. Around the outside at T1...Bam!

Next. :mrgreen:


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So in both videos Lewis immediately retakes the position so those passes by Rosberg are not complete.
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Just_a_fan wrote: They did that while the team was fighting for the constructors' title. Now they've won that, I would expect them to be more hands off. To tell the leading driver not to do that would be favouring the other driver which would be wrong when there is a fight for the title between the drivers.
Not really... they will not let a driver hamper the team. They will also not risk losing a win to RBR or Ferrari.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:So in both videos Lewis immediately retakes the position so those passes by Rosberg are not complete.

Thank you!!

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holeindalip wrote:
PlatinumZealot wrote:So in both videos Lewis immediately retakes the position so those passes by Rosberg are not complete.

Thank you!!
Really??? Really??? You realize that you're saying that anytime a driver is fully overtaken, and then takes the position backsome time later, it "doesn't count?" What logic!

As well, in the Austin example, Ham boxed right after getting passed, so that doesn't count either? Please...

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It doesn't really count if it was the pass that put him on the compromised line and let Lewis retake the lead, no, frankly that's all part of the same overtake attempt as far as I'm concerned.

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FW17 wrote:
Nuvolari wrote:
That's it! Also rewatch the start of Spanish GP this year. Around the outside at T1...Bam!

Next. :mrgreen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drvMKhtCN9M
Wow!!! What an evidence !!! Lewis on Mediums, had built up a lead of 10 seconds and Nico was behind on Softs as part of alternate strategy. Safety car happens and the lead gets eroded, then it's a natural opportunity to then attack the driver on the slower tires. Genius!!! Hey, but still couldn't win that duel.