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Andy Cowell is such a high class, proven quantity. This should put Aston in the right direction. The timing couldn't have been better for them.

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Yep all positive stuff.

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Do you think Mike Krack was expecting the change of his role ?

There was a chance for him few months ago to be Audi's TP before they got Binotto.

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https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/andy ... prisoners/
In particular, it is understood that Cowell felt that there was an element of confusion between factory roles and those at the track - with people dragged too much into responsibilities for both.

This led to problems with distractions and communications, and some personnel spread perhaps too thinly across roles that should have been separated.
Cowell's desire is for things to be simplified and to have structures that are cleaner and not top heavy, which is why, with Krack's responsibilities changing, there is no need for the performance director position that Tom McCullough previously held.

As someone who earned a reputation for producing the most efficient engines in F1, Cowell clearly has a mindset of not liking wastage in any organisation.

Speaking shortly after his arrival at Aston Martin last year, he offered an interesting insight into how he thinks organisations should work.

"It makes me grumpy if there's overlap of responsibility," he said. "It makes me grumpier still if there's a gap and a lack of communication.

"How do we get 900 people to work efficiently so it's like one brain? Writing reports and having meetings...I'm not too keen on that sort of thing."

Cowell was clear that key to him was having a structure in place that is simple, clear and understood by everybody.

"My job is to create a team," he added. "And in a team everybody knows what their role is. They know their position on the pitch.

"My job is to discuss with each of those players what they could do to get better, not tell them.

"It's just to instil a high-performing atmosphere of doing something, learning from that experience and thinking of new ideas."

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RedNEO wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:09
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/andy ... prisoners/
In particular, it is understood that Cowell felt that there was an element of confusion between factory roles and those at the track - with people dragged too much into responsibilities for both.

This led to problems with distractions and communications, and some personnel spread perhaps too thinly across roles that should have been separated.
Cowell's desire is for things to be simplified and to have structures that are cleaner and not top heavy, which is why, with Krack's responsibilities changing, there is no need for the performance director position that Tom McCullough previously held.

As someone who earned a reputation for producing the most efficient engines in F1, Cowell clearly has a mindset of not liking wastage in any organisation.

Speaking shortly after his arrival at Aston Martin last year, he offered an interesting insight into how he thinks organisations should work.

"It makes me grumpy if there's overlap of responsibility," he said. "It makes me grumpier still if there's a gap and a lack of communication.

"How do we get 900 people to work efficiently so it's like one brain? Writing reports and having meetings...I'm not too keen on that sort of thing."

Cowell was clear that key to him was having a structure in place that is simple, clear and understood by everybody.

"My job is to create a team," he added. "And in a team everybody knows what their role is. They know their position on the pitch.

"My job is to discuss with each of those players what they could do to get better, not tell them.

"It's just to instil a high-performing atmosphere of doing something, learning from that experience and thinking of new ideas."
It makes you wonder if Whitmarsh instilled some of Ron's outdated habits of management. There was a lot of red tape when he was in charge, and it was one of the main reason Newey left McLaren.

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TyreSlip wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:25
RedNEO wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:09
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/andy ... prisoners/


It makes you wonder if Whitmarsh instilled some of Ron's outdated habits of management. There was a lot of red tape when he was in charge, and it was one of the main reason Newey left McLaren.
"THE RACE" made a video on Aston Martin, speculating on Whitmarsh's outdated habits of management that could have led Dan Fallows to the wrong direction in the developing of the AMR24's floors.

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It was on this forum we questioned Krack for a long time as TP. Especially @peewon with his arguments which Ive always found very convincing. Cowell clearly knows what he is doing :wink: :lol:

Hopefully Cowell is AM's Ross Brawn, the person who puts people in the right places and makes it all work. Someone like this was sorely needed. This is possibly the "ending phase" of changes done in the team before Newey arrives, and from then on you probably want stability going forward.

(edited Cowell's and Krack's roles in the main page)
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there was a lot of talk even in 2023 that the team at track and team at factory had differing ideas on the development. so it all makes sense.
Actually have some faith with these changes. im glad Tom McCullough has been removed. always hated his comments regarding the development and his comments in general. sounded like he had no clue

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Nikosar wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:05
Do you think Mike Krack was expecting the change of his role ?

There was a chance for him few months ago to be Audi's TP before they got Binotto.
I think so.

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Nikosar wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:05
Do you think Mike Krack was expecting the change of his role ?

There was a chance for him few months ago to be Audi's TP before they got Binotto.
That would have been more or less the same role as he did/is still doing at AMR. Leading the team trackside with a CEO (Hoffmann or Seidl) at the factory who makes the decisions.

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-wkst- wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 10:44
Nikosar wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:05
Do you think Mike Krack was expecting the change of his role ?

There was a chance for him few months ago to be Audi's TP before they got Binotto.
That would have been more or less the same role as he did/is still doing at AMR. Leading the team trackside with a CEO (Hoffmann or Seidl) at the factory who makes the decisions.
Even if the responsibilities are same ; TM to Trackside Officer is a demotion. I don't expect him to continue in this role for long.

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2023: started ahead of Mercedes until updates failed
2024: started near/slightly behind Mercedes until updates failed

We can reasonably expect Mercedes to start ahead again this year and probably by a bigger margin but if Aston finally gets the house in order and fixes its development woes then I believe Mercedes could be reached again. Engine is the same, mechanically it's similar, so it's just aero. The potential is there if they manage to develop well for once (the hard part)
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NAPI10 wrote:
12 Jan 2025, 00:54
-wkst- wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 10:44
Nikosar wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:05
Do you think Mike Krack was expecting the change of his role ?

There was a chance for him few months ago to be Audi's TP before they got Binotto.
That would have been more or less the same role as he did/is still doing at AMR. Leading the team trackside with a CEO (Hoffmann or Seidl) at the factory who makes the decisions.
Even if the responsibilities are same ; TM to Trackside Officer is a demotion. I don't expect him to continue in this role for long.
Unless, he understood all Along that was his job. That he was a TP in name only.

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NAPI10 wrote:
12 Jan 2025, 00:54
-wkst- wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 10:44
Nikosar wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 19:05
Do you think Mike Krack was expecting the change of his role ?

There was a chance for him few months ago to be Audi's TP before they got Binotto.
That would have been more or less the same role as he did/is still doing at AMR. Leading the team trackside with a CEO (Hoffmann or Seidl) at the factory who makes the decisions.
Even if the responsibilities are same ; TM to Trackside Officer is a demotion. I don't expect him to continue in this role for long.
Of course it is, but Cowell obviously wanted very clear and flat structures. If that’s the job what Krack was actually doing, why don’t name it. Let’s see how long he is doing the job. Chris Cronin is the new chief engineer trackside, like Shovlin at Mercedes. Let’s see how this continues.

Furthermore I think it’s better that the team leader is present at the tracks. Whitmarsh was the only one which was hardly ever attending races. Wolff, Horner, Brown or Vasseur, these guys are always around. Alone for political reasons and networking this seems to be important for me.