Recent uncovered details about the parent company of Stefan GP have revealed just why the FIA may have denied the team a grid slot for 2010. With its financial detail unveiled and dubious claims unraveled, the business looks like a fraud, rather than an F1 team owner.
I'm totally with you on this...WhiteBlue wrote:The prospect of USF1 or Campos making it to the grid is more enticing to me than seeing a Serbian state propaganda show pretend with the remains of Toyota's ludicrous money wasting machine.
Wow, the voice of the Serbian tax payer on F1 technical. I'm impressed.Downforce wrote:I'm totally with you on this...WhiteBlue wrote:The prospect of USF1 or Campos making it to the grid is more enticing to me than seeing a Serbian state propaganda show pretend with the remains of Toyota's ludicrous money wasting machine.
It is incredible how 1 post can be so uninformed.... all those "shooting in the dark decisions" you claim were mostly when he let teams have their way.segedunum wrote:WhiteBlue wrote:I'm not. I just think that Max Mosley's FiA policies were sensible, visionary and absolutely the right thing to do many more often than not.Max blew where the wind took him and knee-jerked from one bright idea to another. If you're wanting to promote overtaking then we could all see that grooved tyres were a stupid idea, but nevertheless, we got them. He also flat-out told Frank Williams that his team business model was out of date when manufacturers were coming into the sport to run teams. It looks as if Williams is now the visionary having resisted the overtures of manufacturers and having not gone the way that Sauber went.
Any decent decisions Max and the FIA may have made under his tenure were usually after years over shooting in the dark and years of criticism from others.
That's just one big charade...WhiteBlue wrote:Wow, the voice of the Serbian tax payer on F1 technical. I'm impressed.
Oh, not that crap again. While the teams are almost as bad as Max and the FIA and couldn't really organise a good piss-up in a brewery, the fact is Max's ultimate decisions on down through his 'leadership' have been ill-advised and extremely reactionary and quite often seem to have been based on vendettas. He certainly jumped on the manufacturer bandwagon when the going was good.ISLAMATRON wrote:I dont know how many times it has to be said... THE TEAMS MAKE THE RULES NOT THE FIA
While it doesn't particularly appeal to me either, alas, that's as good as it gets. Taking over an existing team's expertise and assets was always going to be the smart play, and StefanGP have it. Campos and USF1 have got no chance of making it even after the first three races.WhiteBlue wrote:The prospect of USF1 or Campos making it to the grid is more enticing to me than seeing a Serbian state propaganda show pretend with the remains of Toyota's ludicrous money wasting machine.
Bernie's claim. LinkDownforce wrote:There isn't any single word in our media, from our state officials, about financing Stefan GP. But that doesn't mean anything...give them 1 million bucks, and they will give you 99 million. That's how it works here. So it isn't impossible that all this turns out to be true.
The old bugger does't care where the dough comes from as long as a substantial part lands in his family fortune.Bernie Ecclestone wrote:They have got the money from the government, I've spoken to the prime minister.
That discussion should be rather short. The money will initially go into Bernie's coffers and help saving jobs in Germany. I bet that venture capital firms can line up billions of more worthy Serbian investment opportunities with national ventures that have more solid business plans. Btw isn't the International Monetary Fund fed by international tax payers money as well?Joe Saward wrote:The news that the government will pay for the Formula 1 team came on the same day as a delegation from the International Monetary Fund arrived in Belgrade to review the way in which its loans are being used. This far Serbia has received €1.12billion of the promised $4.3bn. The money will only be paid over to the government if the IMF is happy that the reforms agreed are taking place. This involves massive cutting in government spending, wage freezes in the public sector and job cuts to make the administration more efficient by getting rid of layers and layers of civil servants. This is tough in an economy where unemployment is running at 18% and where the economy contracted four percent last year. One of the IMF conditions is that Serbia constrain the use of stimulus efforts to revive the economy. It is an interesting discussion as to whether the funding of an F1 programme would be seen as that or not.
He did spoke to the prime minister. Unfortunately, recently we had a visit from the IMF: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s ... &p=4127212They have got the money from the government, I've spoken to the prime minister.
It is an interesting discussion as to whether the funding of an F1 programme would be seen as that or not.
You have your moments WB, I'll give you that.WhiteBlue wrote: That discussion should be rather short. The money will initially go into Bernie's coffers and help saving jobs in Germany. I bet that venture capital firms can line up billions of more worthy Serbian investment opportunities with national ventures that have more solid business plans. Btw isn't the International Monetary Fund fed by international tax payers money as well?
Stefan GP is pushing to secure a fourteenth team entry for the 2010 season, boss Zoran Stefanovic has confirmed.
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Stefanovic is quoted by the British newspaper The Sun as confirming that he wants the FIA to open up an entirely new slot on the 2010 grid.
"We think this is the best way to solve the problem," he said.
"We are absolutely aware that the system of granting entries is through the FIA. So we are not expecting someone to give us an entry immediately," he added.
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article. ... 7721&FS=F1
Hello to all,WhiteBlue wrote:Wow, the voice of the Serbian tax payer on F1 technical. I'm impressed.Downforce wrote:I'm totally with you on this...WhiteBlue wrote:The prospect of USF1 or Campos making it to the grid is more enticing to me than seeing a Serbian state propaganda show pretend with the remains of Toyota's ludicrous money wasting machine.
That's my opinion too. I can't prove it - just a feeling.vuknikola wrote:Right now they don't have enough money for anything without the MMF, so I think that Bernie is making a 'smokescreen' to cover up that the money is partly his. Just my opinion.
So much for the people who think that Bernie's alternatives are so much worthier.JoeSaward Blog wrote: The Belgrade Amateur Dramatic Society
February 23, 2010 by joesaward
What kind of a racing team talks about the big name stars it is about to sign and the fantastic achievements it might pull off, without first getting the basic details into place?
Well, apart from USF1…
To go racing in F1, you need the following check list:
- cars (preferably with big noisy engines attached)
- men (or women) to drive these devices
- a big pile of money
- an official entry, preferably with big rubber stamp, saying “FIA”
- spares, in case something falls off
- a mechanic who knows which bits goes where
- some spanners
- a big van in which to put everything
- fuel to power the cars (and the truck)
- a book of rules, preferably for Formula 1.
- someone who understands the book of rules
- Some black round rubber things called tyres…
Stefan GP was supposed to be a serious operation. There was never much to back up this belief, but Bernie Ecclestone was being very supportive. He said that there is money coming from the Serbian government. There seemed to be a chassis and engine supply deal from Toyota.
But somehow they forgot to do a deal for a supply of tyres…
In the words of John McEnroe, “You cannot be serious!”
Back to square 1.
They should fuse with USf1 and create US&SerbiaF1.WhiteBlue wrote:So much for the people who think that Bernie's alternatives are so much worthier.
