2012 Monaco GP - Monte Carlo

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I believe that was when he was "holding up" Massa and there was a bit of a gap ahead of him and the next position.

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bhallg2k wrote:Not especially. But, I don't think they're that unpredictable.

I don't remember that part of the race in detail, but the times imply he probably found himself with a clear track ahead of him.
He was conserving the tyres up to that point and then upped the pace. He had several seconds of empty track ahead and the cars ahead of him were starting to struggle with degradation. It was an inspired piece of thinking and nothing to do with the tyres being unpredictable.

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lotus7 wrote:overtook Hamilton during pitstops
The story of 2012 for McLaren pretty much.

Looking at all the angles, it also seems Alonso is at fault for Grosjeans crash.

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McMrocks wrote:Hi guys,

can anybody explain to me what happened with Alonso between lap 16 and 17
there was no pit stop but he drove 1.1 seconds faster in lap 17 than in the laps before.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 20Hamilton


Are the Pirellis really predictable?
Fernando had been saving his tyres up to that point. If Ferrari would have left him out, he would've not only undercut Lewis, but also Rosberg & Webber. That call probably cost him the race win, but Fernando said they were unsure about the tyres.

Fernando Alonso: "We could have jumped Nico and Mark, if we had stayed our a few laps longer on super softs. But couldn't predict tyres."

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They just threw Martin Brundle into the pool. The most exciting moment of the weekend.
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myurr wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:Not especially. But, I don't think they're that unpredictable.

I don't remember that part of the race in detail, but the times imply he probably found himself with a clear track ahead of him.
He was conserving the tyres up to that point and then upped the pace. He had several seconds of empty track ahead and the cars ahead of him were starting to struggle with degradation. It was an inspired piece of thinking and nothing to do with the tyres being unpredictable.
another link:http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 20Hamilton

yes Alonso had a gap of 4.2 seconds to Ham. The other question is why Vettel was on old tyres faster than all other on new tyres: http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... k%20Webber
watch lap 31

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Shrieker wrote:They just threw Martin Brundle into the pool. The most exciting moment of the weekend.
Pretty much, the only thing that took my by surprise.

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McMrocks wrote:yes Alonso had a gap of 4.2 seconds to Ham. The other question is why Vettel was on old tyres faster than all other on new tyres: http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... k%20Webber
watch lap 31
Because he didn't have to hold back on them and try and get them to the end of the GP. He'd eased them in to that point so was able to really push at the end of his stint, knowing he could then pit as soon as they started to go off.

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Shrieker wrote:They just threw Martin Brundle into the pool. The most exciting moment of the weekend.
it was a nice tyre gamble what shows that no team can predict the tyres. I know im the only thinking so, but i hate this pirelli tyres
myurr wrote:
McMrocks wrote:yes Alonso had a gap of 4.2 seconds to Ham. The other question is why Vettel was on old tyres faster than all other on new tyres: http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... k%20Webber
watch lap 31
Because he didn't have to hold back on them and try and get them to the end of the GP. He'd eased them in to that point so was able to really push at the end of his stint, knowing he could then pit as soon as they started to go off.
but why they dont do this every race? I mean if they can use tyres for the half of the race they will be first in the WC.

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Shrieker wrote:They just threw Martin Brundle into the pool. The most exciting moment of the weekend.
It was about time, he got away last year.
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McMrocks wrote:but why they dont do this every race? I mean if they can use tyres for the half of the race they will be first in the WC.
Because every circuit is different and it's not always possible to keep up good pace but conserve the tyres in that way, nor to use that extra life to just push before the pit stops.

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Can't blame Grosjean for the crash this time, he had a terrible start but I don't think he could've done anything to Alonso's move.

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Exciting especially in the last laps ! but besides that everything was boring..oh and yes Everyone was applauding the "train" ( WEB , ROS , ALO , VET , HAM , MAS)
Sad for not having a 6 places podium ! All this guys were amazing today !

Positive Points :
-Webber ! 2nd win in Monaco, surely there is something special in it
-Vettel ...U may say strategy Helped him but was pretty competitive
-3 , Like Three wins in a row for Red Bull in Monte Carlo =D>
-Kovalainen showed a great race he deserved at least one point : (

Negative Points
-Kimi's race ..bad strategy
-Unlucky Shumacher ..
-Grosjean again in the start..
-Perez ( will get a penalty for sure)
-Button unable to make it to Top 10
and Jean-Eric Vergne can't believe this guy lost 4 pts for in a completly useless pit stop..

And there is something i wish to add: I DO NOT BELIEVE in stories telling That Red Bull held off Webber on purpose to let Vettel create some Gap -.- , Never.

6 Different Winners in the 6 First Races ..Wow Never happened in F1 history i guess
We can see a possible 7th Winner in Montreal ! And I Predict Hamilton he has Always been mighty around there :D

Rate : 4/10
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myurr wrote:Interestingly Anthony Davidson has just blamed Alonso for the accident with Schumacher. He's shown how he moved across into a space that wasn't there to try and get past Hamilton, causing contact with Grosjean which then pushed him out to where Schumacher was.
just been replaying it ; grosjean was already beside alonso who pulled left to try and overtake hamilton who was slow away ; 100% alonso's fault ; no way grosjean could get out of the way
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RB_[Gnx] wrote:and Jean-Eric Vergne can't believe this guy lost 4 pts for in a completly useless pit stop.
Apparently he had used two sets of prime tyres so had to stop again which would have dropped them out of the points regardless. They decided to gamble on intermediates as if it had rained then they would have been able to salvage some points. Simply a no risk gamble that didn't pay off.