2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

[littlebigcat]

Any explanation from mercedes for their poor pace?

Hamilton said it was cooling

[dtro]

Regardless of whether or not the penalty was deserved it was nice to see the young guns get a chance to battle it out for the top spot. Imo it was either Verstappen or Sainz that deserved driver of the day for their respective charges through the field.

[Shrieker]

This sets a really really bad precedent, as drivers will be tempted to straight out barge their fellow racers out of the way like Max did today. This will promote dirty racing. And if something similar happens and the aggressor is penalized, the FIA and its stewards will be accused with inconsistency at the very least - and rightfully so.

[Sieper]

Regardless of the penalty... Finally a race that isn’t dominated by Mercedes... What seemed like a clean sweep this season is now not achievable.


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In all fairness, Mercedes clearly saved their engine here. They will finish the season on 3 units. That alone gives them more free points then winning here.

Allthough, the gap was big. Lewis broke his wing and possibly Floor as well? Even after the FW change the pace was not really there.

I think he broke something else and they thought it was the wing, but they were wrong. He was really slow after the pit.
Did they show any damage at all on the wing? What did Mercedes say? I guess they'll put it up in their Youtube account tomorrow.

Yup, will be interesting to learn. Perhaps they also don’t want to let the competition in on knowing too much? Likely underfloor damage I think. Merc does have those small Winglets next to the underfloor hump. Maybe the turn1 kerbsausages ate them up?

[Shrieker]

Now that Max's win is going to stand, I wonder what Alonso is up to these days

[LM10]

So what was the decisive difference between the situation of Max and Rosberg at the same spot in 2016 when Rosberg got a 5 seconds penalty and the today’s one?

[Sevach]

Now that Max's win is going to stand, I wonder what Alonso is up to these days

Leaving lots of space.

[timbo]

The outside of turn 3 is a dumb place to be. It doesn't matter whether you're overtaking, being overtaken, in a tin-top, F3 car, F1 car or whatever! Being on the outside of another car in there is going to end in misery. It always has been, as long as that corner has existed! LEC should know that and stop moping.

Except on the previous lap, Leclerc made a comeback pass on Verstappen from the outside of the corner.

I'm not attributing any blame or playing whataboutisms, I'm just saying being on the outside of that corner, you're going to have a bad time.

And all I'm saying it is not always the case.

[Brake Horse Power]

Awesome race! Cool drive by Max and nice overtakes. Also quite a good drive by Vettel I think, 2 stop strategy went quite well for him!

[turbof1]

So what was the decisive difference between the situation of Max and Rosberg at the same spot in 2016 when Rosberg got a 5 seconds penalty and the today’s one?

I don't personally have formed an opinion about that, but for reference here is the 2016 incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixmGVL4dedI

2019 incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4

EDIT: looking at it myself, Rosberg did not bother to turn in and just rammed into Hamilton. Verstappen did actually turned in and just had very minor contact with Leclerc. I'm still not sure myself if Verstappen deserved a penalty or not, but in Rosberg's case it was much more severe.

[darkpino]

This sets a really really bad precedent, as drivers will be tempted to straight out barge their fellow racers out of the way like Max did today. This will promote dirty racing. And if something similar happens and the aggressor is penalized, the FIA and its stewards will be accused with inconsistency at the very least - and rightfully so.

On the other end, with the racing (or better: lack of) which has been going on this season it might be time to allow some dirty racing. If someone really overshoots an apex the other car will easily cross back and be in front coming out of that corner.

I thought it would be penalised which would have been the best decision looking at previous decisions but I sincerely hope this is a sign of what’s to come which will mean no more boardroom wins and a bit more racing on track. INDYCAR is a great example of how racing can be

[Brake Horse Power]

So what was the decisive difference between the situation of Max and Rosberg at the same spot in 2016 when Rosberg got a 5 seconds penalty and the today’s one?

Quite obvious a totally different situation. Rosberg is not having a ny racing line at all, he just brakes very late. Max had a racing line, great overtake! Good to see it approved!

[langedweil]

This sets a really really bad precedent, as drivers will be tempted to straight out barge their fellow racers out of the way like Max did today. This will promote dirty racing. And if something similar happens and the aggressor is penalized, the FIA and its stewards will be accused with inconsistency at the very least - and rightfully so.

Ow, come on ...
Lec opened the door and ran out of racetrack, boo-hoo.
He'll become smarter in time, he should worry a lot more about how the RB was able to make up about +14secs against the mighty Ferrari on a powerdriven circuit.
But let's stop this millenial blabber about entitlement on track. Race, separate the boys from men ...

[LM10]

So what was the decisive difference between the situation of Max and Rosberg at the same spot in 2016 when Rosberg got a 5 seconds penalty and the today’s one?

I don't personally have formed an opinion about that, but for reference here is the 2016 incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixmGVL4dedI

2019 incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4

EDIT: looking at it myself, Rosberg did not bother to turn in and just rammed into Hamilton. Verstappen did actually turned in and just had very minor contact with Leclerc. I'm still not sure myself if Verstappen deserved a penalty or not, but in Rosberg's case it was much more severe.

Ah, I didn’t even mean this one. I got the year wrong. I think it was 2015 then. GPR-A posted it earlier here.

[langedweil]

So what was the decisive difference between the situation of Max and Rosberg at the same spot in 2016 when Rosberg got a 5 seconds penalty and the today’s one?

The simple fact that Ves steered around the corner whereas Rosberg just didn't turn at all ..