Team: Stefano Domenicali (TP), Mario Almondo (Director of Operations), Aldo Costa (TD), Nicolas Tombazis (CD), Luca Marmorini (HE) Drivers: Fernando Alonso (5), Felipe Massa (6)
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ringo wrote:What could be wrong with this beautiful specimen?
Something fundamental?
Can't find the article now but par fry was saying that the front of the car is definitely of interest.
It is interesting.
I would wait for a good onboard laps from Qualifying to see whether it seems like the handling problem or they just lack DF at this stage.
Probably they didn't make as much progress with their final pre-season update as they hoped.
I think next big update would include new suspension setup to run with higher rake.
I am pretty much convinced it is just lacking serious front downforce, winter updates consisted pretty much of front wing updates that where solely focussed on downforce. longer supports, the third flap got an pretty weird looking addition.
If you look at it compared to the other cars you see pretty much one simple thing, the cascade element. Every other team got really big cascade elements on the wing and remote end plates, ferrari just sticks to the old with a really small cascade element.
wesley123 wrote:I am pretty much convinced it is just lacking serious front downforce, winter updates consisted pretty much of front wing updates that where solely focussed on downforce. longer supports, the third flap got an pretty weird looking addition.
If you look at it compared to the other cars you see pretty much one simple thing, the cascade element. Every other team got really big cascade elements on the wing and remote end plates, ferrari just sticks to the old with a really small cascade element.
thank you for explaining me clearly what is wrong with my post, oh wait you havent said anything.
I said; I am convinced, i didnt say It is a fact that lot of difference here. That I am convinced that the car has a problem doesnt mean you are or anyone else is, it is much based on a opinion, seeing on board laps and posting arguments, you are in no way forced to think the same as i do, but at least elaborate why.
wesley123 wrote:thank you for explaining me clearly what is wrong with my post, oh wait you havent said anything.
I said; I am convinced, i didnt say It is a fact that lot of difference here. That I am convinced that the car has a problem doesnt mean you are or anyone else is, it is much based on a opinion, seeing on board laps and posting arguments, you are in no way forced to think the same as i do, but at least elaborate why.
I'm pretty sure he meant "this [is what I think too]".
They need a snow plow me thinks.
A new front wing is needed too. Disapointing still, the car just doesn't seem to be a bad one. Never thought the down force deficit would be so bad.
Technical director Aldo Costa revealed on Saturday that the team was still baffled as to why all the aerodynamic updates introduced at the final Barcelona test had not worked
So it is really the case of final update not working as it should.
I think they've known car has lacked pace since testing, they just did some show boating to keep the tifosi happy, in the hope their Barcelona update would fix the issues.
Their testing pace was there before and after the Barcelona update, so I don't think it magically worked and then suddenly stopped working. The only other team to have such an upgrade before the season was Merc. I think the key difference is Merc were honest about where they thought they were, Ferrari weren't.
I can't see Falonso winning the championship this year, RB & McLaren are going to run away too quickly. Last year Ferrari was very close to McLaren from the start, they just had some poor races and some bad luck. This year they are a far third fastest, they might catch up but I suspect it'll be all too late.
I also don't expect Ferrari to contend for the constructors, regardless of whether or not they discover some pace and if they contend the drivers championship. Massa has been psychologically crushed by Alonso, he's toast now.
Diesel wrote:I think they've known car has lacked pace since testing, they just did some show boating to keep the tifosi happy, in the hope their Barcelona update would fix the issues.
Their testing pace was there before and after the Barcelona update, so I don't think it magically worked and then suddenly stopped working. The only other team to have such an upgrade before the season was Merc. I think the key difference is Merc were honest about where they thought they were, Ferrari weren't.
I can't see Falonso winning the championship this year, RB & McLaren are going to run away too quickly. Last year Ferrari was very close to McLaren from the start, they just had some poor races and some bad luck. This year they are a far third fastest, they might catch up but I suspect it'll be all too late.
I also don't expect Ferrari to contend for the constructors, regardless of whether or not they discover some pace and if they contend the drivers championship. Massa has been psychologically crushed by Alonso, he's toast now.
Ferrari' race pace is as good as Mclaren's or better.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970
“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher
Well, Diesel, Massa finished in front of Alonso so...
I don't even think the problem is Alonso. The problem is Ferrari, and the fact that since the accident, every time Massa puts out a good performance, Ferrari find a way to screw it up. The first pit stop today was an excellent example of that.
How come Ferrari still manage to screw up pitstops that badly?
Pierce89 wrote:Ferrari' race pace is as good as Mclaren's or better.
The Ferrari of alonso was in this race only in one stint better, and that was rather due to Hamilton's crappy tires than the great race pace of Ferrari. In Melbourne McLaren also destroyed them on race pace so that is just bull what you are saying. You can better say they are third or fourth fastest on pace, the Renault is pretty close or maybe even quicker.
