2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[DChemTech]

With their current performance you'd almost wonder if he should take such a swap...

[CHT]

How do you guys rate Lawson race today? Among the rookies, I think he is perhaps leased featured for this race.

[GrizzleBoy]

If he doesn't swap, he doesn't drive in F1 in 2026, or sooner, IMO.

Failing to get out of Q1 consecutively, and failing to get out of Q1 qualifying positions during the race is a lot of bad juju to shake off.

Horner just said that they put him on a very experimental setup so maybe that's why he couldn't go forward, but still that's a humongous gap.

[Vettel165]

So there is light at the end of tunnel.

Verstappen said the team made him drive a slow first stint, even though he disagreed with them before the race because he would be too slow.

[Watto]

Red Bull are holding a meeting this week to discuss the slow start to the season

https://racingnews365.com/marko-confirm ... ll-meeting

[euv2]

I think if the updates that are coming soon work then we'll be slightly off Mclaren still but much more likely to take a win if they slip up. I don't think 0.300 is possible in single update this late into the regs unless we really held back a b-spec car until we got confirmation that the direction we're going in is right during pre season testing . It will take a combination of TD018 hurting MCLs balance and Redbull nailing the upgrades to start winning races again, so atleast 6-7 races away.

[f1isgood]

Red Bull are holding a meeting this week to discuss the slow start to the season

https://racingnews365.com/marko-confirm ... ll-meeting

Damn it took them so long to realize they were slow lol. What was Marko making up at Australia about upgrades or something. He gave hope.

[venkyhere]

Correct me here, but this is the first time since Bahrain 2022 that I am seeing Verstappen showing a moment of 'poor racecraft' (the 2022 one being the play with DRS line with LeClerc where it took him 2-3 laps to figure out LeClerc was toying with him). The race start of this 2-25 chinese GP, he left the door open on the inside and thought he could hang it around the outside for T1-2-3. Costly mistake, and both Ferraris snuck through. He should have just stuck behind Norris, and P3 was his for the taking, pushing Russel back to P4. He compensated for this via a brilliant 'set up' of LeClerc for the outside T3 overtake.

All said and done, started P4, finished P4. Redbull and Max will take it anyday, given the state their car is in. It's a P7-P8 car.

Red Bull are holding a meeting this week to discuss the slow start to the season

https://racingnews365.com/marko-confirm ... ll-meeting

Damn it took them so long to realize they were slow lol. What was Marko making up at Australia about upgrades or something. He gave hope.

Stop anything what the senile old man says to the media. I have stopped, since the middle of 2024. Other than 'spotting' Verstappen and fast-tracking him to F1, I don't know what 'contribution' Marko made to the team. The young drivers program isn't setting the charts on fire, neither are the snap decisions to change drivers mid season or letting Ricciardo stay past sell by date, or failing to sign up good drivers from outside the academy, helping one bit. Stop listening to him. I think the team is keeping him purely because Max has some sentimental gratitude and wants him in the garage.

[Vettel165]

For now, could be track specific. The last stint was very good. I think Red Bull in Max hands is the second best car on the grid. In Japan there a lot of medium-high speed corners which is good for Red Bull, we might have a better chance there. The key will be to keep a close gap to Mclaren drivers until Barcelona new rules comes in play, and before that maybe the updates will work. Also this race was the first one which was done in dry conditions, it was like a testing today. Its not that bad how it looks, or even good of course. Lets see in the next races, the season is 24 races long. Its a marathon not a sprint.

[kurtj]

I think if the updates that are coming soon work then we'll be slightly off Mclaren still but much more likely to take a win if they slip up. I don't think 0.300 is possible in single update this late into the regs unless we really held back a b-spec car until we got confirmation that the direction we're going in is right during pre season testing . It will take a combination of TD018 hurting MCLs balance and Redbull nailing the upgrades to start winning races again, so atleast 6-7 races away.

This is more like Mercedes 2022 situation, not as grave, but it is. They realized in Bahrain that the car isn't where they thought it would be. If there are issues in correlation or their work not yielding the output they thought it would, then it's a given that the upgrades built on such a foundation and under such circumstances, would only complicate the matter further and might take them further down the wrong path. I don't see any upgrade coming sooner as they have to go back to the root of the problem, understand it, solve it and then rework the upgrade.

Like Allison told last year, time can be your friend and enemy. If you go down the wrong path, it's an enemy. Others move forward while they have to scratch their head. It would make sense to understand the current problems, fix the tools and processes that led this situation and then simply focus on 2026. No point in wasting CFD and Wind tunnel time to fix the current situation.

[Vettel165]

[Hoffman900]

The problem is assuming both cars can do the same thing and hold the same line.

If these were spec cars, I’d agree, but how cars rotate, etc. all differ in F1 and you’ll end up with different lines.

Watch the video.

Nothing I'm pointing out is car-related at all. Anybody who does any kind of half-serious sim racing(or real life racing) will understand what I'm saying. ANY car on the grid will understeer in the situations Max was putting himself in there. Max was not taking the optimal lines for the car, he was simply trying to get the car to do more than it could. Lewis would have faced the same issues if he took the same lines as Max. But Lewis took smarter lines on that final lap, being less aggressive on turn-in and reaping the rewards on exit. That's all it is. Max is phenomenal, but these are the tiny little things that can vary lap per lap even among top drivers.

Unless you’re driving Redbull and Ferrari’s sim back to back, you have no idea. You can and should admit that. Real life isn’t a video game.

In our REAL life racing, all cars can’t do the same things in corners. This is fact.

[venkyhere]

they are trying every trick in the book in framing the question "are you going to leave Redbull?" in a 1000 different ways. But Max doesn't answer that, ever. Good.

[kurtj]

Rumors say there would be an immediate swap of Yuki to Red Bull and Liam to RB, starting Japan.

[Tvetovnato]

And for what reason? Ruining Yuki’s career too? It’s obvious that no one else than Max can wring pace out of that car. When he leaves Red Bull, which will be very soon, this team will be battling Sauber. That is no joke, it is reality. The sooner they start addressing the driveability of that car for real, the better for the team long term.