Ferrari 150° Italia

[timbo]

Ferrari' race pace is as good as Mclaren's or better.

The Ferrari of alonso was in this race only in one stint better, and that was rather due to Hamilton's crappy tires than the great race pace of Ferrari. In Melbourne McLaren also destroyed them on race pace so that is just bull what you are saying. You can better say they are third or fourth fastest on pace, the Renault is pretty close or maybe even quicker.

In that race Renault was clearly worse than Ferrari. Renault seem to have pretty good traction out of slow corners (which they had last year as well) but Ferrari were much stronger in fast corners.
They were about as good as Macca. Maybe only slightly worse. Remember that they were overtaken and had to make up their way up, using tyres more than if you have clear track.

[Rudex]

It curious Ferrari has pace when the car is fuel loaded. First and second stint was very fast but in the third stint I saw Alonso no so fast then.
I see that is the problem of Ferrari in low fuel charge no get full pace on tyres.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Ferrari' race pace is as good as Mclaren's or better.

The Ferrari of alonso was in this race only in one stint better, and that was rather due to Hamilton's crappy tires than the great race pace of Ferrari. In Melbourne McLaren also destroyed them on race pace so that is just bull what you are saying. You can better say they are third or fourth fastest on pace, the Renault is pretty close or maybe even quicker.

In that race Renault was clearly worse than Ferrari. Renault seem to have pretty good traction out of slow corners (which they had last year as well) but Ferrari were much stronger in fast corners.
They were about as good as Macca. Maybe only slightly worse. Remember that they were overtaken and had to make up their way up, using tyres more than if you have clear track.

It doesn't matter where in the lap your fast, finishing infront is all that matters.

[timbo]

It doesn't matter where in the lap your fast, finishing infront is all that matters.

Sure, it's just gives hope that the car is not complete flop, and they would be able to turn their fortunes, like they did last year.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Well, Diesel, Massa finished in front of Alonso so...

I don't even think the problem is Alonso. The problem is Ferrari, and the fact that since the accident, every time Massa puts out a good performance, Ferrari find a way to screw it up. The first pit stop today was an excellent example of that.

How come Ferrari still manage to screw up pitstops that badly?

Massa only finished infront because Alonso had to pit for a wing. Your right though Ferrari 'screwed up' a pit stop which meant Alonso jumped him, funny that

Like I've said before, his career is over in that team, he needs to move someone else. Sauber would be a good place IMO.

[i70q7m7ghw]

It doesn't matter where in the lap your fast, finishing infront is all that matters.

Sure, it's just gives hope that the car is not complete flop, and they would be able to turn their fortunes, like they did last year.

True, I don't believe it's a slow car. I also don't believe they left testing as a very close second fastest to Red Bull, and then suddenly lost 2 seconds when they turned up at Melbourne. If that really is true, then they've got SERIOUS problems. The worst problems are the ones you don't understand. IMO it's more likely the knew they were off the pace, and were just trying to keep it on the hush hoping they could solve it before the season got underway. In contrast McLaren were quite open at the end of testing about their lack of pace, and did what Ferrari dreamed of doing, and found that pace with a last minute update.

[timbo]

In contrast McLaren were quite open at the end of testing about their lack of pace, and did what Ferrari dreamed of doing, and found that pace with a last minute update.

Everyone had their last minute updayes.
Not everyone (incl. Ferrari) got it working.

[juicesharp]

It doesn't matter where in the lap your fast, finishing infront is all that matters.

From this point of view Ferrari is higher than Renault in the championship standing and this is all that matters.

[Gerhard Berger]

Well, Diesel, Massa finished in front of Alonso so...

I don't even think the problem is Alonso. The problem is Ferrari, and the fact that since the accident, every time Massa puts out a good performance, Ferrari find a way to screw it up. The first pit stop today was an excellent example of that.

How come Ferrari still manage to screw up pitstops that badly?

Massa only finished infront because Alonso had to pit for a wing. Your right though Ferrari 'screwed up' a pit stop which meant Alonso jumped him, funny that

Why is that funny?

[i70q7m7ghw]

It doesn't matter where in the lap your fast, finishing infront is all that matters.

From this point of view Ferrari is higher than Renault in the championship standing and this is all that matters.

Well that is the name of the game. Having the fastest car doesn't automatically mean winning the championship, there is alot more involved.

Massa only finished infront because Alonso had to pit for a wing. Your right though Ferrari 'screwed up' a pit stop which meant Alonso jumped him, funny that

Why is that funny?

A cynical point of view might be that Massa was held up in the pits by the team to allow Alonso to pass.

[Hush]

Ferrari' race pace is as good as Mclaren's or better.

The Ferrari of alonso was in this race only in one stint better, and that was rather due to Hamilton's crappy tires than the great race pace of Ferrari. In Melbourne McLaren also destroyed them on race pace so that is just bull what you are saying. You can better say they are third or fourth fastest on pace, the Renault is pretty close or maybe even quicker.

Rubbish and you know it. Alonso was quite a bit faster than Hamilton in the later part of the first stint and it was pretty even with the two during the second stint with Alonso, having passed Button, just shaving it.

Alonso had an average third stint but it could be due to him using the set of options that was used twice during quali. His initial laps on those tyres were no faster than what he managed in the second stint despite carrying less fuel but he came on strong at the back end of that stint. I think he was nursing those tyres.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Ferrari' race pace is as good as Mclaren's or better.

The Ferrari of alonso was in this race only in one stint better, and that was rather due to Hamilton's crappy tires than the great race pace of Ferrari. In Melbourne McLaren also destroyed them on race pace so that is just bull what you are saying. You can better say they are third or fourth fastest on pace, the Renault is pretty close or maybe even quicker.

Rubbish and you know it. Alonso was quite a bit faster than Hamilton in the later part of the first stint and it was pretty even with the two during the second stint with Alonso, having passed Button, just shaving it.

Alonso had an average third stint but it could be due to him using the set of options that was used twice during quali. His initial laps on those tyres were no faster than what he managed in the second stint despite carrying less fuel but he came on strong at the back end of that stint. I think he was nursing those tyres.

This evidence seems to say otherwise:-
http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=ch ... =3&hid=3_5

Looks pretty even-steven to me. You could attribute the slight drop offs as the tyres starting to 'fall off the cliff'.

[Hush]

Rubbish and you know it. Alonso was quite a bit faster than Hamilton in the later part of the first stint and it was pretty even with the two during the second stint with Alonso, having passed Button, just shaving it.

Alonso had an average third stint but it could be due to him using the set of options that was used twice during quali. His initial laps on those tyres were no faster than what he managed in the second stint despite carrying less fuel but he came on strong at the back end of that stint. I think he was nursing those tyres.

This evidence seems to say otherwise:-
http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=ch ... =3&hid=3_5

Looks pretty even-steven to me. You could attribute the slight drop offs as the tyres starting to 'fall off the cliff'.

Hamilton's tyres did seem to go off sooner than Alonso's so the lap time delta at the end of the first stint could be due to that but the second stint is where the best comparison can be made and it was pretty even. I give the nod to Alonso, but only just.

[kalinka]

Interesting, I didn't espect that they even think of a totally B-spec aero. I didn't think until now that their aero package is so questonable that they already have a B-plan if it doesn't work.. :

http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/ ... _Shanghai/

[Onch]

Massa only finished infront because Alonso had to pit for a wing. Your right though Ferrari 'screwed up' a pit stop which meant Alonso jumped him, funny that

Lol!!! Thanks Diesel I feel a bit less alone...
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