Renault Power Unit Hardware & Software

[gandharva]

Can we stop chassis comparisons in the engine thread? Thanks!

I think after today it's clear the engine has improved. A RBR jumping a Williams on straight line on same tires and heavy fuel has been a non existant picture the last years. Renault definitely needs to improve quali mode, but for only 7 tokens they did a good job regarding the race pace of the engine. Good energy deployment, driveablity and finally reliable. Looking forward to the power upgrade.

[ME4ME]

Can we stop chassis comparisons in the engine thread? Thanks!

I think after today it's clear the engine has improved. A RBR jumping a Williams on straight line on same tires and heavy fuel has been a non existant picture the last years. Renault definitely needs to improve quali mode, but for only 7 tokens they did a good job regarding the race pace of the engine. Good energy deployment, driveablity and finally reliable. Looking forward to the power upgrade.

I agree to that, they have made a step forward. They are still behind though, but hopefully the Canada Spec will be as significant as it is being made out to be. And not delayed. Reliability looks better, although Kvyat had an MGU-H failure according to Sky, and obviously Renault had a turbo failure in testing. They need some trouble-free races.

[carisi2k]

Can we stop chassis comparisons in the engine thread? Thanks!

I think after today it's clear the engine has improved. A RBR jumping a Williams on straight line on same tires and heavy fuel has been a non existant picture the last years. Renault definitely needs to improve quali mode, but for only 7 tokens they did a good job regarding the race pace of the engine. Good energy deployment, driveablity and finally reliable. Looking forward to the power upgrade.

I think you will find that Ricciardo passing Massa had more to do with the state of his tyres then Renault improving that much. At-least the Renault is close enough in race pace that the DRS actually works for RBR. Did you notice how easily Hamilton passed the number 3 before his pit stop. Canada spec will be most appreciated if it is as good as Renault says.

[djos]

Dan also managed to overtake a force India, twice Iirc.

So imo there has been an improvement in the PU. It's also possible that Newey optimised the car for fighting thru traffic this year so it's not as affected by dirty air as in past years.

[carisi2k]

Dan also managed to overtake a force India, twice Iirc.

So imo there has been an improvement in the PU. It's also possible that Newey optimised the car for fighting thru traffic this year so it's not as affected by dirty air as in past years.

When did he overtake a Force India twice. I saw him overtake Massa twice which was interesting as that would not have happened last year. The Force India's were nowhere near Dan in the race after the start.

[djos]

Dan also managed to overtake a force India, twice Iirc.

So imo there has been an improvement in the PU. It's also possible that Newey optimised the car for fighting thru traffic this year so it's not as affected by dirty air as in past years.

When did he overtake a Force India twice. I saw him overtake Massa twice which was interesting as that would not have happened last year. The Force India's were nowhere near Dan in the race after the start.

At the start of the race he got around one FI and then lost the spot a lap later (or so), then a few laps later he re-took the spot and raced away into the distance.

[gruntguru]

Other way around I think. Hulkenberg passed him on lap 1, Ricciardo regained the spot on lap 5, other changes all due to pit-stops so Ricciardo only overtook 1 FI.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/03/20/2 ... -charts-2/

[amho]

And?
It seems you didnt notice that STR is producing very competitive cars since a couple of seasons.

1. Yes TR has produced a great chassis.
2. RB has also produced a great chassis.
3. Renault have improved to get them nearly line ball to a 2015 Ferrari engine.
4. 2016 Mercedes and Ferrari have improved by atleast the same amount as 2016 Renault but I would say probably more, especially in qualifying for Mercedes.
5. If Red Bull or TR had a 2016 Mercedes or Ferrari engine they would be well clear of Williams and Force India.
6. If Red Bull or TR had a 2016 Mercedes or Ferrari engine they could well be competing with Mercedes and Ferrari for outright victory. That is just how much better their new 2016 engines are.
7. At-least the 2016 Renault engine is better then the 2016 Honda.
8. At-least the 2016 Renault engine isn't a hand grenade.
9. Here is hoping the Canada upgrade can give the extra power that Red Bull needs to push them closer to Ferrari and Mercedes.

why do say firmly that Renault is better than Honda?

[amho]

Can we stop chassis comparisons in the engine thread? Thanks!

I think after today it's clear the engine has improved. A RBR jumping a Williams on straight line on same tires and heavy fuel has been a non existant picture the last years. Renault definitely needs to improve quali mode, but for only 7 tokens they did a good job regarding the race pace of the engine. Good energy deployment, driveablity and finally reliable. Looking forward to the power upgrade.

I remember they had a lot of token left unused from last season,that's why they just used 7 token of new tokens available this year.

[jure]

Did fia publish only number of tokens spent or did they publish also what they were spent on?

[gandharva]

I remember they had a lot of token left unused from last season,that's why they just used 7 token of new tokens available this year.

Yes, because they were lost and despite having tokens, they had no idea on how to spend them. This changed by the end of the year when they finally hired Mario Illien.

[Steven]

Did fia publish only number of tokens spent or did they publish also what they were spent on?

Only how many

[carisi2k]

And?
It seems you didnt notice that STR is producing very competitive cars since a couple of seasons.

1. Yes TR has produced a great chassis.
2. RB has also produced a great chassis.
3. Renault have improved to get them nearly line ball to a 2015 Ferrari engine.
4. 2016 Mercedes and Ferrari have improved by atleast the same amount as 2016 Renault but I would say probably more, especially in qualifying for Mercedes.
5. If Red Bull or TR had a 2016 Mercedes or Ferrari engine they would be well clear of Williams and Force India.
6. If Red Bull or TR had a 2016 Mercedes or Ferrari engine they could well be competing with Mercedes and Ferrari for outright victory. That is just how much better their new 2016 engines are.
7. At-least the 2016 Renault engine is better then the 2016 Honda.
8. At-least the 2016 Renault engine isn't a hand grenade.
9. Here is hoping the Canada upgrade can give the extra power that Red Bull needs to push them closer to Ferrari and Mercedes.

why do say firmly that Renault is better than Honda?

Because I watched the Grand prix all weekend and it was clear to see that this is the case. Renault powered cars finished 4th, 11th and 12th and the only McHonda left finished 14th. Ricciardo was able to pass a Williams Mercedes twice with DRS which would not have been remotely possible 12 months ago (regardless of whether he had a softer tyre or not) and the Renault of Palmer held off the Torro Rosso's with the superior 2015 Ferrari engine for quite some time.

Renault have made progress, although not enough to catch up to Mercedes or Ferrari. they have certainly put enough performance into the PU to make it the third best unit.

[ME4ME]

Because I watched the Grand prix all weekend and it was clear to see that this is the case. Renault powered cars finished 4th, 11th and 12th and the only McHonda left finished 14th. Ricciardo was able to pass a Williams Mercedes twice with DRS which would not have been remotely possible 12 months ago (regardless of whether he had a softer tyre or not) and the Renault of Palmer held off the Torro Rosso's with the superior 2015 Ferrari engine for quite some time.

Renault have made progress, although not enough to catch up to Mercedes or Ferrari. they have certainly put enough performance into the PU to make it the third best unit.

I agree however with what you're saying. Renault is probably slightly ahead of Honda at the moment. Although the full extent of it has yet to be seen. Bahrain probably gives a more complete picture of relative performance.

[FPV GTHO]

Can we stop chassis comparisons in the engine thread? Thanks!

I think after today it's clear the engine has improved. A RBR jumping a Williams on straight line on same tires and heavy fuel has been a non existant picture the last years. Renault definitely needs to improve quali mode, but for only 7 tokens they did a good job regarding the race pace of the engine. Good energy deployment, driveablity and finally reliable. Looking forward to the power upgrade.

I remember they had a lot of token left unused from last season,that's why they just used 7 token of new tokens available this year.

They only had 1 unused token from 2015. The other 11 went to the unraced turbo and the late season upgrade that didn't give any performance increase