2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[ringo]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

remember at that time he knew his own front wing was damaged. So he had to do something to level back the playing field; which is to damage the mercedes. If his car was unscathed from rear ending lewis' car he would not have rammed into Hamilton.
Anyhow i would like to see his Baku results removed. This is not an ordinary racing incident where a collision is caused because a driver ran out of talent. This is malicious intent and using the car as a weapon.

[Jolle]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

remember at that time he knew his own front wing was damaged. So he had to do something to level back the playing field; which is to damage the mercedes. If his car was unscathed from rear ending lewis' car he would not have rammed into Hamilton.
Anyhow i would like to see his Baku results removed. This is not an ordinary racing incident where a collision is caused because a driver ran out of talent. This is malicious intent and using the car as a weapon.

ridiculous. this is from the other end of the silly theories (the one that Vettel magical drifted into Hamilton). He clearly wasn't thinking rationally or trying to damage anything. It was stupidity and rage, angry because he felt wrongdoing and wanted Lewis his attention.

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Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

remember at that time he knew his own front wing was damaged. So he had to do something to level back the playing field; which is to damage the mercedes. If his car was unscathed from rear ending lewis' car he would not have rammed into Hamilton.
Anyhow i would like to see his Baku results removed. This is not an ordinary racing incident where a collision is caused because a driver ran out of talent. This is malicious intent and using the car as a weapon.

ridiculous. this is from the other end of the silly theories (the one that Vettel magical drifted into Hamilton). He clearly wasn't thinking rationally or trying to damage anything. It was stupidity and rage, angry because he felt wrongdoing and wanted Lewis his attention.

When it comes to Vettel, why is it so hard to believe that he does things with full understanding of what he is doing? His 'multi 21' behavior on track where he chose to pay no heed to his pit wall and then his remorseless behavior in the following press conference, 'I was faster, I overtook and I win. He didn't deserve to win'. None of what Vettel does is "Emotion or Rage" and he is not a small kid and none of those drivers on the track are kids for that matter. They get trained in a manner that we probably couldn't even imagine. They are meant to perform under enormous pressure and stressful situations. I don't believe these guys have no control over their emotions. So, it's hard for me to imagine if that was not a calculated manoeuvre. His audacity to come out after Baku incident and say, "If you break test, THAT IS WHAT YOU GET". That was quite cold blooded.
He has been getting away through a series of incidents and has been taking it for granted. So, he need be stopped and given a stern lesson.

[siskue2005]

Webber and Nico grilling Vettel at Goodwood

[Jolle]

remember at that time he knew his own front wing was damaged. So he had to do something to level back the playing field; which is to damage the mercedes. If his car was unscathed from rear ending lewis' car he would not have rammed into Hamilton.
Anyhow i would like to see his Baku results removed. This is not an ordinary racing incident where a collision is caused because a driver ran out of talent. This is malicious intent and using the car as a weapon.

ridiculous. this is from the other end of the silly theories (the one that Vettel magical drifted into Hamilton). He clearly wasn't thinking rationally or trying to damage anything. It was stupidity and rage, angry because he felt wrongdoing and wanted Lewis his attention.

When it comes to Vettel, why is it so hard to believe that he does things with full understanding of what he is doing? His 'multi 21' behavior on track where he chose to pay no heed to his pit wall and then his remorseless behavior in the following press conference, 'I was faster, I overtook and I win. He didn't deserve to win'. None of what Vettel does is "Emotion or Rage" and he is not a small kid and none of those drivers on the track are kids for that matter. They get trained in a manner that we probably couldn't even imagine. They are meant to perform under enormous pressure and stressful situations. I don't believe these guys have no control over their emotions. So, it's hard for me to imagine if that was not a calculated manoeuvre. His audacity to come out after Baku incident and say, "If you break test, THAT IS WHAT YOU GET". That was quite cold blooded.
He has been getting away through a series of incidents and has been taking it for granted. So, he need be stopped and given a stern lesson.

I don't agree with you that this is a "Multi 21" kind of situation. That was an act of a spoiled "boy" in the RedBull bubble who knew what was in his contract and acted on his entitlement. This was more a case of Mexico, where his fuming reactions at the address of Whiting weren't planned or part of something larger. Just red hot under his helmet, just like Baku.

If it was ment as a surgical procedure to damage Hamiltons car, he did a terrible job. Then he would have "accidental" would have cut Lewis his tires with his already broken FW instead of some very obvious wheel banging for what he knows would trigger a possible DQF or multiple race ban.

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......some very obvious wheel banging for what he knows would trigger a possible DQF or multiple race ban.

This is exactly what he is CONFIDENT that would NEVER happen to him and that fuels him! And the reason why he need to be put in place.

[garygph]

My bad..wrong thread..sorry guys

[ENGINE TUNER]

Just imagine Vettel going full attack and saying that Hamilton's road rage in Australia wasn't an example for the young kids either.

What are you referring to?

Still waiting for an answer... what "road rage" can HAM be accused of in OZ?

[ringo]

If it was ment as a surgical procedure to damage Hamiltons car, he did a terrible job. Then he would have "accidental" would have cut Lewis his tires with his already broken FW instead of some very obvious wheel banging for what he knows would trigger a possible DQF or multiple race ban.

Ok what would he do if he was brake tested, then reacted quickly enough not to destroy his front wing in the back of Lewis' car. Would he have pulled up and banged lewis' car?
I am looking at it from that perspective. Had his front wing not have been damaged, at best he would curse.
His car got damaged, so he felt it was justified to return damage. He probably decided to bang lewis' car right at the last moment when he pulled up beside him.

It don't think it was simply to get attention. Pulling up beside another f1 car during a SC gets enough attention already.

[marvin78]

Yeah they will repeat it until the end of days, if this thread does not get closed again.

[PlatinumZealot]

Vettel thought his race was over due to damage and as such he would have had nothing to lose, penalty or not, so his recourse was to not let Lewis get away with it by returning favour.

Do i believe that Vettel genuinely thought he was brake tested? Yes. But it is the train of thought after that that is the focus here. He took the law into his own hands.

[LostInTranslation]

Comparative telemetry of Vettel and Hamilton

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c ... 0c2c93.jpg

[LostInTranslation]

From 2:20 to 2:43 youtube video.

I do not know whether it's engine brake or just a simple brake pedal pressure, but several times the brake control lights up red on Hamilton's on board camera.

It is worth noting the shifting from 3th to 1st gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uxt9uFEVaU

[Steven]

Robert Kubica on the matter:


And again, no further drivel on what we already know please!

[cirrusflyer]

Maybe they'll just put 10 sec on Vettel's time and put him behind Hamilton in Baku results. The gap in WC will lessen a bit, becoming tighter among Vettel and Hamilton and that's it.
Vettel will get his punishment and it wouldn't be as harsh as a ban or taking away points.

That's the dumbest thing to do. Why penalize Vettel for Mercedes mistake. Its their own fault that Vettel finished infront. Get over it. brundle,button,stewart and company said :move on. He got his penalty

So F1NAC you would like Vettel to be DSQed from Baku race or get a ban in the next one or two races?! I belive that's what FIA could be thinking of...
As Schuttelberg pointed out; it doesn't matter where Hamilton finished and dans79 comented that FIA doesn't care what others think...maybe it is not the dumbest thing to give Vettel 10 sec (instead ban or DSQ). We all would get so mutch more enterteinment out of that. Vettel and Hamilton would stay close together ( Vettel will get the message...) in case of your thinking they won't stay that close, I belive FIA won' just let it go pass.
I don't have to go over anything becouse I don't have any problem with the situation ( but Indo have with your coment). I just enjoy this years championship. It is tight and intense. When FIA will have their say, could be that it wont be like that any more.
At the end it is sad that you put your self in the position of the judge and throwing around words like "dumbest" on the forum where people are reading thoughts and opinions of another posters and put forward their own. We shoud respect that and eachother.