2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[LionsHeart]

Car had way less deg than most teams, also were the only cars that actually ran closely behind, soo race pace doesn't look to bad..

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

[MCLvamos]

Car had way less deg than most teams, also were the only cars that actually ran closely behind, soo race pace doesn't look to bad..

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

deg as in degradation

[MCLvamos]

Lando's one long run lap on the medium looked mighty fast, and the pace on the soft was decent compared to the rest of the field who had similarly high deg. Verstappen looks in another league though. Our race is probably with Ferrari, with them perhaps having the edge on Saturday but us with stronger race pace from what we've seen so far.

[MrGapes]

Car had way less deg than most teams, also were the only cars that actually ran closely behind, soo race pace doesn't look to bad..

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

^^^ degradation

Main and only loss really is just that hairpin, almost losing 4 tenths... Car is becomes very very neutral mid corner, need to coast and brake earlier otherwise they lock the fronts.

[trinidefender]

Car had way less deg than most teams, also were the only cars that actually ran closely behind, soo race pace doesn't look to bad..

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

I'm not sure if it's me but you really need to stop talking down to people....

MrGapes made a personal observation. Trying to correct them with a statement that doesn't even reply to theirs comes across as demeaning.

Then with mwilliams saying he has misconceptions. If you're an aerodynamicist then feel free to say so but may I suggest backing off a bit.

You tried to "educate" me on a question of mine but what you were talking about had no relevance to what I was asking. Cool it...

[LionsHeart]

Car had way less deg than most teams, also were the only cars that actually ran closely behind, soo race pace doesn't look to bad..

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

deg as in degradation

Aah yeah, right.

[mwillems]

Lando use Silverstone spec rear wing. Specially news for mwillems.

https://i.ibb.co/k2WNg3L/BDC5-A54-B-B6- ... 0-ABB3.png
https://i.ibb.co/6btSPkG/FBEF8412-CA8-E ... 6-EAB4.png

Interesting language here they refer to it as both their High DF wing and their Highest DF wing....

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/formula- ... ring-room/

Perhaps the high DF wings of old (And Monaco) are gone now with the additional DF from the floor, but these wings are closely related in performance and will likely have some overlap, hence the testing of the two at Suzuka to see which works best, this is very different from the old High DF wings and ones used at Monaco and other tracks by the other teams.

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... 24x684.jpg

An example of last years Mclaren wing, mare aggressive than this years.

So it is all relative of course but those Singapore wings are noticeably smaller than both Last year and Monaco, apart from Mclaren who did not produce a specialist High DF wing. Even last year Mclaren ran with a much thicker and wider bottom element but the all black wing is a bit hard to see on a dark track. Again it didn't have the winglets and for that reason it was also producing more DF. So relative to other wings we have this is our high DF wing (Upper Med), but it is not a high DF wing relative to the DF they can efficiently run if they choose to or wings that have run this and last year. In that range these wings are quite sensible, hence I refer to them all as being closer to med downforce RW. And this may be because of the grip the floors themselves now produce, as well as the track layout changes.

Merc did not run their Monaco wing at Singapore because they don't need that downforce from the wing here because it didn't need that high a DF wing, so they have that blunt trauma DF available but they didn't use it because it wasn't suitable for this track, like the other teams at Monaco who did not bring those high DF wings to Singapore..

The cars are too good now, we don't need actual high DF wings anywhere but Monaco.

There are a lot of misconceptions on your part about which wing creates what amount of downforce. I see no point in continuing this discussion, since I already spoke about it yesterday. In Singapore there was a wing with high downforce, the team confirms this with the words of an engineer. There was no average downforce there. I brought photos yesterday and now today. Silverstone's specification can be fully described as medium downforce.

The Monaco wing specification is the maximum peak downforce that McLaren has, moreover, it has not been changed since last year, I previously thought otherwise until I saw it myself and realized that I was mistaken about this.

The most important thing is that the team finds the fastest settings for each track and is as competitive as possible.

There's no misconception about the different teams wings at Monaco and the wings at Singapore, the differences are extreme and obvious, if you ignore that, I can see your point. But you cannot.

[LionsHeart]

Car had way less deg than most teams, also were the only cars that actually ran closely behind, soo race pace doesn't look to bad..

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

^^^ degradation

Main and only loss really is just that hairpin, almost losing 4 tenths... Car is becomes very very neutral mid corner, need to coast and brake earlier otherwise they lock the fronts.

Yeah, understood. Sorry

[f1rules]

Norris on today

“The pace was there, the pace has been pretty good today,” said Norris.

“It’s probably one of the closest times we’ve been to Red Bull and the front lot on a Friday, so I think encouraging from a pace point of view, but the car feels pretty all over the place: I kind of think it does for the majority.

“It’s just very low grip, I don’t think it’s just us in particular, it’s just a handful, which I think for us if we can just calm it down a little bit, bring the balance together, I think we can have a good day tomorrow. But the pace is good, just difficult to drive.”

Norris believes he and McLaren can be firmly in the mix for best-of-the-rest honours behind Verstappen.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Deg looks decent but nothing special. Lawson looked pretty similar on equal stint length. Maybe 0.2-0.3s avg slower than Norris. RUS and ALO also able to stick in 1.39.1 on 9 lap old softs. Just pace wise we seem to have the edge on everyone but FER and VER. It’ll be close with Ferrari. Quali is key.

[LionsHeart]

Car had way less deg than most teams, also were the only cars that actually ran closely behind, soo race pace doesn't look to bad..

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

I'm not sure if it's me but you really need to stop talking down to people....

MrGapes made a personal observation. Trying to correct them with a statement that doesn't even reply to theirs comes across as demeaning.

Then with mwilliams saying he has misconceptions. If you're an aerodynamicist then feel free to say so but may I suggest backing off a bit.

You tried to "educate" me on a question of mine but what you were talking about had no relevance to what I was asking. Cool it...

You shouldn't be so harsh on my posts. These are just my comments, based on how I understand people. There are areas that are clear to me, there are areas that are not very clear. We are discussing here.

[LionsHeart]

Interesting language here they refer to it as both their High DF wing and their Highest DF wing....

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/formula- ... ring-room/

Perhaps the high DF wings of old (And Monaco) are gone now with the additional DF from the floor, but these wings are closely related in performance and will likely have some overlap, hence the testing of the two at Suzuka to see which works best, this is very different from the old High DF wings and ones used at Monaco and other tracks by the other teams.

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... 24x684.jpg

An example of last years Mclaren wing, mare aggressive than this years.

So it is all relative of course but those Singapore wings are noticeably smaller than both Last year and Monaco, apart from Mclaren who did not produce a specialist High DF wing. Even last year Mclaren ran with a much thicker and wider bottom element but the all black wing is a bit hard to see on a dark track. Again it didn't have the winglets and for that reason it was also producing more DF. So relative to other wings we have this is our high DF wing (Upper Med), but it is not a high DF wing relative to the DF they can efficiently run if they choose to or wings that have run this and last year. In that range these wings are quite sensible, hence I refer to them all as being closer to med downforce RW. And this may be because of the grip the floors themselves now produce, as well as the track layout changes.

Merc did not run their Monaco wing at Singapore because they don't need that downforce from the wing here because it didn't need that high a DF wing, so they have that blunt trauma DF available but they didn't use it because it wasn't suitable for this track, like the other teams at Monaco who did not bring those high DF wings to Singapore..

The cars are too good now, we don't need actual high DF wings anywhere but Monaco.

There are a lot of misconceptions on your part about which wing creates what amount of downforce. I see no point in continuing this discussion, since I already spoke about it yesterday. In Singapore there was a wing with high downforce, the team confirms this with the words of an engineer. There was no average downforce there. I brought photos yesterday and now today. Silverstone's specification can be fully described as medium downforce.

The Monaco wing specification is the maximum peak downforce that McLaren has, moreover, it has not been changed since last year, I previously thought otherwise until I saw it myself and realized that I was mistaken about this.

The most important thing is that the team finds the fastest settings for each track and is as competitive as possible.

There's no misconception about the different teams wings at Monaco and the wings at Singapore, the differences are extreme and obvious, if you ignore that, I can see your point. But you cannot.

We passed.

[mwillems]

What do you mean? What degrees are we talking about?

The car here is fast because it is in many ways similar to Silverstone. The car is effective in fast and medium-speed turns, and now it should be faster in slow ones as well. I don’t know what’s there on the straight sections. I don’t have telemetry data, but I think it will be good for Lando and worse and Oscar.

I'm not sure if it's me but you really need to stop talking down to people....

MrGapes made a personal observation. Trying to correct them with a statement that doesn't even reply to theirs comes across as demeaning.

Then with mwilliams saying he has misconceptions. If you're an aerodynamicist then feel free to say so but may I suggest backing off a bit.

You tried to "educate" me on a question of mine but what you were talking about had no relevance to what I was asking. Cool it...

You shouldn't be so harsh on my posts. These are just my comments, based on how I understand people. There are areas that are clear to me, there are areas that are not very clear. We are discussing here.

We've spoken before, you do come across in a manner which is shall we say, very blunt lol

If you want people to engage with you then try to soften the words a little

My partner is Portuguese and very blunt as some can be, so I am more used to it!

[mwillems]

There are a lot of misconceptions on your part about which wing creates what amount of downforce. I see no point in continuing this discussion, since I already spoke about it yesterday. In Singapore there was a wing with high downforce, the team confirms this with the words of an engineer. There was no average downforce there. I brought photos yesterday and now today. Silverstone's specification can be fully described as medium downforce.

The Monaco wing specification is the maximum peak downforce that McLaren has, moreover, it has not been changed since last year, I previously thought otherwise until I saw it myself and realized that I was mistaken about this.

The most important thing is that the team finds the fastest settings for each track and is as competitive as possible.

There's no misconception about the different teams wings at Monaco and the wings at Singapore, the differences are extreme and obvious, if you ignore that, I can see your point. But you cannot.

We passed.

Passed?

[LionsHeart]

Well, the team collected quite a lot of information, Lando and Oscar both practiced driving with different loads in terms of downforce. I think the team has already figured out which version of the aero package is optimal and what else can be improved in the settings to drive even better tomorrow.