Bahrain GP 2012 - Sakhir

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Webber was off the pace from the beginning though, so when did he sustain this damage?

I'm not sure. The team didn't even know the floor was messed up until after the race. When it happened I'm not sure, but it obviously didn't help. Source is AutoSport.

[GrizzleBoy]

Apparently Webber's since said his KERS stopped workin after couple of laps - but it came back to life. Didn't hear about the damage though.

I think Button was just finding it hard to handle the car - the McLaren seemed to be somewhat ill-balanced based off radio comments, and I think that thres him off as usual. He was saying something like even though he was having understeer, he was having trouble with the rear.

As in it's his usual issue of being off the pace when the car is imbalanced rather than some fault or damage.

Surely this issue with Webber and KERS is becoming a long running joke now?

How many seasons are going to go by before we dont hear this almost every single race?

I'm going to start a petition for RBR to fix Mark Webbers KERS lol.

Also, he damaged the floor in China when his Red Bull No.8 almost did give him wings. The team tried to fix it with the same stuff they use to fix his KERS every race but it seems to have not done the trick!

[mzivtins]

Apparently Webber's since said his KERS stopped workin after couple of laps - but it came back to life. Didn't hear about the damage though.

I think Button was just finding it hard to handle the car - the McLaren seemed to be somewhat ill-balanced based off radio comments, and I think that thres him off as usual. He was saying something like even though he was having understeer, he was having trouble with the rear.

As in it's his usual issue of being off the pace when the car is imbalanced rather than some fault or damage.

Surely this issue with Webber and KERS is becoming a long running joke now?

How many seasons are going to go by before we dont hear this almost every single race?

I'm going to start a petition for RBR to fix Mark Webbers KERS lol.

Also, he damaged the floor in China when his Red Bull No.8 almost did give him wings. The team tried to fix it with the same stuff they use to fix his KERS every race but it seems to have not done the trick!

Well Vettel hasn't complained about Webbers KERS not working, so why would RBR even bother to get it sorted

[irang]

Apparently Webber's since said his KERS stopped workin after couple of laps - but it came back to life. Didn't hear about the damage though.

I think Button was just finding it hard to handle the car - the McLaren seemed to be somewhat ill-balanced based off radio comments, and I think that thres him off as usual. He was saying something like even though he was having understeer, he was having trouble with the rear.

As in it's his usual issue of being off the pace when the car is imbalanced rather than some fault or damage.

According to Mark, the KERS malfunction lasted for one lap. While in many cases the first lap is one of the most important parts of a race, luckily he managed to do a good start and didn't lose any position this time.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99098

"I didn't have KERS for the first lap, so it was difficult to put pressure on Lewis, but then I got it back. In the first two stints, I couldn't stay with those guys - the two Lotus' and Seb - so I had to consolidate from there. ..."

Having said that, yeah it must be really frustrating to face the same basic problem over and over again over the two seasons, it happened not only to Mark but also to Sebastian a few times actually. It's just silly that a team like RBR can't sort it out.

[radosav]

i just watched bahrain race edit in F1.com.
it is funny that they show team radio of Team Lotus where they said to Grosjean :
"Raikkonen is faster than you. Do not hold him up."

really ironic choice of words.
i am not against team orders and i think that Lotus made right choice by doing it, but why did they say after the race : "there was no team order"

[stefan_]

That was an obvious choice, because Raikkonen had a better pace and he was on softs as far as I can remember, so it was all about how fast he will pass Grosjean, and trying to hold him down wouldn't have been a clever idea. I am sure that Romain, even with his smile, knows his place in the team.

[fiohaa]

And theres the proof. No more speculation on this.
Regarding ham and rosberg, unfortunately they didnt show any onboards at all of it apart from a long distance shot (what is that about?). But they had the decency to show alonsos onboard in the post race show.

with ham and rosberg, there is potential that ham had more of his car inside rosberg than alonso did, so its just impossible to conclusively say or not (though i suspect rosberg still did nothing wrong there).

With these photos, with the rosberg alonso incident it is very clear. Rosberg did absolutely Nothing wrong, and no wonder the stewards didnt feel the need to do anything (for once).

Its as if once alonso/ham decided they were going to pass, they were going to pass on the inside, no matter what happened - as if they didn't have spare brain capacity to adapt, or swap lines.

Look at the pics with alonso, it is clear early on that rosberg is moving across. Alonso barely gets his front wing level with rosbergs rear wing. Yet he keeps on moving right....all the way off the track. Its just weird, more than anything.

The difference with ham is he clearly thought 'im gona make this happen' and had massive cajones going off the track (which is awesome).

but yes, its easy to conclude from the pics, rosbergs move was fine. Alonso is mental if he thinks 'the driver always has to leave a gap'.....thats not what the rules say. He must be getting confused. If the driver always has to leave a gap infront...well....it makes a mockery of racing, and defending essentially becomes pointless.

i think it just looked more dramatic on tv because we hardly see drivers defending properly, all the way to the edge of the track. so when a driver does do a proper job....what better than to lament him of course (sigh)!

[radosav]

And theres the proof. No more speculation on this.
Regarding ham and rosberg, unfortunately they didnt show any onboards at all of it apart from a long distance shot (what is that about?). But they had the decency to show alonsos onboard in the post race show.

with ham and rosberg, there is potential that ham had more of his car inside rosberg than alonso did, so its just impossible to conclusively say or not (though i suspect rosberg still did nothing wrong there).

With these photos, with the rosberg alonso incident it is very clear. Rosberg did absolutely Nothing wrong, and no wonder the stewards didnt feel the need to do anything (for once).

Its as if once alonso/ham decided they were going to pass, they were going to pass on the inside, no matter what happened - as if they didn't have spare brain capacity to adapt, or swap lines.

Look at the pics with alonso, it is clear early on that rosberg is moving across. Alonso barely gets his front wing level with rosbergs rear wing. Yet he keeps on moving right....all the way off the track. Its just weird, more than anything.

The difference with ham is he clearly thought 'im gona make this happen' and had massive cajones going off the track (which is awesome).

but yes, its easy to conclude from the pics, rosbergs move was fine. Alonso is mental if he thinks 'the driver always has to leave a gap'.....thats not what the rules say. He must be getting confused. If the driver always has to leave a gap infront...well....it makes a mockery of racing, and defending essentially becomes pointless.

i think it just looked more dramatic on tv because we hardly see drivers defending properly, all the way to the edge of the track. so when a driver does do a proper job....what better than to lament him of course (sigh)!

nonsense!

1. these are photos from onboard camera that is much higher than driver's eyes, you don't know how much did alonso or hamilton saw infront of them
2. nico saw even less in his mirrors, so his move is even more stupid, he didn't know their position and he decided to go right very fast
3. you have to look that tape in real time and real speed, it wasn't so slow as slow motion makes it look
4. and, about hamilton's massive cajones going off the track: 'off track' is really concrete with sand dust on it, so it looked like he overtook him on sand. if it was sand , trust me,he wouldn't be faster than nico

[atanatizante]

1. Don`t think this track is engine related. Look what did Williams (at least) and Caterham in the race ...
Don`t think is hot track temp related either.
On this note it`s quite interesting how the track temp was evolving during the weekend:
• FP1 air was 30C and track was 42C :
(http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html),
Then in
• FP2 air was also 30C ! but track was 35C !?! :
(http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html)
In
• FP3 air was, you guess right, 30C !! and the track was 40C !!!:
(http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html)
Then in
• Q air was, I`m speechless, 30C !!! but the track was this time WTF 35C !!!!:
(http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html)
And finally on the
• Race day, air was 27C and the track was down to 29C:
(http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html)

To me it`s more down to the fact that on Sunday the track temp was 6C lower than Friday FP2 when they were working on race set-up and some cars (McLaren and Mercedes) are very sensitive to the operation temp window with these 2012 Pirelli tyres. This was the biggest factor and the hot track temp that is chewing the tyres was a secondary one …
So the wider operation window in conjunction with the fact that RB and especially Lotus are very kind on with the tyres led them to work harder in the race (for better lap times) than other teams and came into the speaks of Michael how said about he was running just 60 or 70% of his capacity in order not to ruin his tyres.

2. Great move from Kimi on Webber early in the race on turn 11. Never expected someone to do that in this turn. But even greater was Trulli`s in 2009 (I think) when he was taking Fisi in turn 9, don`t you think?

[zyphro]

And theres the proof. No more speculation on this.
Regarding ham and rosberg, unfortunately they didnt show any onboards at all of it apart from a long distance shot (what is that about?). But they had the decency to show alonsos onboard in the post race show.

with ham and rosberg, there is potential that ham had more of his car inside rosberg than alonso did, so its just impossible to conclusively say or not (though i suspect rosberg still did nothing wrong there).

With these photos, with the rosberg alonso incident it is very clear. Rosberg did absolutely Nothing wrong, and no wonder the stewards didnt feel the need to do anything (for once).

Its as if once alonso/ham decided they were going to pass, they were going to pass on the inside, no matter what happened - as if they didn't have spare brain capacity to adapt, or swap lines.

Look at the pics with alonso, it is clear early on that rosberg is moving across. Alonso barely gets his front wing level with rosbergs rear wing. Yet he keeps on moving right....all the way off the track. Its just weird, more than anything.

The difference with ham is he clearly thought 'im gona make this happen' and had massive cajones going off the track (which is awesome).

but yes, its easy to conclude from the pics, rosbergs move was fine. Alonso is mental if he thinks 'the driver always has to leave a gap'.....thats not what the rules say. He must be getting confused. If the driver always has to leave a gap infront...well....it makes a mockery of racing, and defending essentially becomes pointless.

i think it just looked more dramatic on tv because we hardly see drivers defending properly, all the way to the edge of the track. so when a driver does do a proper job....what better than to lament him of course (sigh)!

You're right.

[SiLo]

the car has a lot of pace over a single lap, really nice to see, but I just can't get my head around how Rosberg ended up 9th and Hamilton 5th, in the same car, when Rosberg looked really racy all weekend.

[Mika1]

the car has a lot of pace over a single lap, really nice to see, but I just can't get my head around how Rosberg ended up 9th and Hamilton 5th, in the same car, when Rosberg looked really racy all weekend.

Rosberg's tyres had gone off during the battles with Vettel, Alonso, Massa and Button. Hamilton did an excellent last stint.

[Anon123]

the car has a lot of pace over a single lap, really nice to see, but I just can't get my head around how Rosberg ended up 9th and Hamilton 5th, in the same car, when Rosberg looked really racy all weekend.

Rosberg's tyres had gone off during the battles with Vettel, Alonso, Massa and Button. Hamilton did an excellent last stint.

He was fuel saving to about 26 laps in if I recall correctly but I don't remember Rosberg mentioning it after the race so it can't have compromised his pace too much.

[PlatinumZealot]

Would they still be allowed to run a modesty panel?

Also, the car has a lot of pace over a single lap, really nice to see, but I just can't get my head around how Rosberg ended up 9th and Hamilton 5th, in the same car, when Rosberg looked really racy all weekend.

Rosberg learned the hard way. Sadly, it is hard to believe he took 4 races to realise it is pointless defending on these pirellies when the car is basically a fuel tanker on swizz cheese tyres. Hamilton drover the smarter race this time, but I am sure Rosberg wont make the same mistake next time around.

[Vasconia]

Would they still be allowed to run a modesty panel?

Also, the car has a lot of pace over a single lap, really nice to see, but I just can't get my head around how Rosberg ended up 9th and Hamilton 5th, in the same car, when Rosberg looked really racy all weekend.

Rosberg learned the hard way. Sadly, it is hard to believe he took 4 races to realise it is pointless defending on these pirellies when the car is basically a fuel tanker on swizz cheese tyres. Hamilton drover the smarter race this time, but I am sure Rosberg wont make the same mistake next time around.

Sorry but I disagree, if you are on pole you defend your position, its a matter of dignity, you are the poleman you have to do it, I am sure that Lewis(and any othe driver) would have done the same. When you beging 8th the situation is absolutely different, there is no comparison between both races.