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I agree they should never have issued a team order than Hamilton was bound to ignore as they were effectively ordering him to give up on his last chance of wining the WDC which he was never going to be willing to do. All they have done is harmed their relationship with one of the top 3 or 4 drivers in the sport (quite possibly the best driver)Gettingonabit wrote:What were the team doing by instructing Ham to drive differently in the last few laps, whatever the results they had both titles sewn up. Asking a driver to throw away any chance of the title, however slim, was puerile. Would the likes of Alonso, Vettel, Schumacher, Prost or Senna done any different to what Hamilton did - I think not.
All they have done is open themselves up to accusations of bias - silly thing to do.
Can you recall a previous occasion where a driver was requested to relinquish their title fight for the benefit of their team mate at a title deciding race? I genuinely can't but I've only been watching since the second half of the 1986 season. I'm only asking for the request to do so, not the agreement by the driver which I assume would be even harder to come by. I think it's such a rare occurrence that were I to google the answer I would start looking at the 1950 season and work forwards rather than 2015 and work backwards....Cold Fussion wrote:Because Mercedes want the best result possible which is a 1-2, and the only way could lose that result was by Hamilton doing exactly what he was trying to do. This problem was further exacerbated by their second driver needing to employ a risk averse strategy to on track battles with all drivers except his team mate. So in the eyes of Mercedes, all they are seeing is the possibility of Hamilton artificially creating a 4 way battle for the lead, forcing Rosberg to get aggressive with his team mate (let's not forget that it doesn't matter if some racing incident takes both Hamilton and Rosberg out from Rosbergs POV) and thus the distinct possibility than Mercedes could lose a secure 1-2, potentially a win and yet another on track disaster between their two drivers. They also appear to operate under the assumption that because it says in Hamilton's contract that he will follow team instructions that he'll do so when asked to, too bad for them they had no real leverage to do so in this instance.
It's such rare thing to see two team mates battling for the title at the last race. Don't forget the radio traffic has only been openly broadcasted for 10-15 years? I'm sure the Mclaren radio waves were pretty busy after turn 4 in Brazil 2007.Gaz. wrote:Can you recall a previous occasion where a driver was requested to relinquish their title fight for the benefit of their team mate at a title deciding race? I genuinely can't but I've only been watching since the second half of the 1986 season. I'm only asking for the request to do so, not the agreement by the driver which I assume would be even harder to come by. I think it's such a rare occurrence that were I to google the answer I would start looking at the 1950 season and work forwards rather than 2015 and work backwards....Cold Fussion wrote:Because Mercedes want the best result possible which is a 1-2, and the only way could lose that result was by Hamilton doing exactly what he was trying to do. This problem was further exacerbated by their second driver needing to employ a risk averse strategy to on track battles with all drivers except his team mate. So in the eyes of Mercedes, all they are seeing is the possibility of Hamilton artificially creating a 4 way battle for the lead, forcing Rosberg to get aggressive with his team mate (let's not forget that it doesn't matter if some racing incident takes both Hamilton and Rosberg out from Rosbergs POV) and thus the distinct possibility than Mercedes could lose a secure 1-2, potentially a win and yet another on track disaster between their two drivers. They also appear to operate under the assumption that because it says in Hamilton's contract that he will follow team instructions that he'll do so when asked to, too bad for them they had no real leverage to do so in this instance.
I read someplace, or perhaps heard it on Ted's Notebook--whatever. What I understand is that the new tires and higher downforce levels are proving to be very hard on the drivers--they're having trouble. A hangover plus the increased lateral G's could have done him in. Just putting it out there...turbof1 wrote:Given he actually did some laps, it might not be naive to think he is actually unwell.
yeah right, an entire race with G-forces, pressure, stress, and no batting an eye,A-Bap wrote:I read someplace, or perhaps heard it on Ted's Notebook--whatever. What I understand is that the new tires and higher downforce levels are proving to be very hard on the drivers--they're having trouble. A hangover plus the increased lateral G's could have done him in. Just putting it out there...turbof1 wrote:Given he actually did some laps, it might not be naive to think he is actually unwell.
=D> How this reminds me of Webber puking in his own helmet:Manoah2u wrote:yeah right, an entire race with G-forces, pressure, stress, and no batting an eye,A-Bap wrote:I read someplace, or perhaps heard it on Ted's Notebook--whatever. What I understand is that the new tires and higher downforce levels are proving to be very hard on the drivers--they're having trouble. A hangover plus the increased lateral G's could have done him in. Just putting it out there...turbof1 wrote:Given he actually did some laps, it might not be naive to think he is actually unwell.
but a simple tire test will fatigue the driver?
better put it back where it came from......
...I don't think these things can be looked at linearly.Manoah2u wrote:yeah right, an entire race with G-forces, pressure, stress, and no batting an eye,
but a simple tire test will fatigue the driver?
