Red Bull RB6

[axle]

I have an idea that Adrian will surprise a few people when the cars hit Europe.

Heres a concept, Newey changes the exausts again, but this time they expell to stall the rear wing???

Packaging would remain almost unaffected to some extent!!!

Erm...yeah and how would that help in the long sweeping bends? You're forgetting this system has to be switchable "without actually doing anything" so that it stalls only in a straight.

[djos]

I found Newey's comments about the safety aspect of this system interesting, which is why I felt that it should have been banned. It obviously has profound effects on the aerodynamic profile of a car, and those effects will only increase as the idea is taken up. I just wonder if Adrian has come up with a few fertile ideas about where he might apply this other than to just the rear wing. Any ideas?

MacMercs system if activated accidentally by the drivers leg being bumped could send the car off the circuit in a high speed corner - I wonder if that is what Newey means?

[segedunum]

MacMercs system if activated accidentally by the drivers leg being bumped could send the car off the circuit in a high speed corner - I wonder if that is what Newey means?

That's exactly what he means. Devices that have profound effects on a car's aerodynamics have been banned in the past for that very reason. Neverthless, we are where we are and we'll have to see where this goes and how other teams implement it.

[dren]

Sure wish we had similar pics of the RB!

I think they're going to try and make sure that doesn't happen. When Mark Webber had his failure in practice and the marshalls were lifting the car out of the gravel trap, Mark Webber purposefully stuck around and I'm sure that he was making sure that they didn't tip the car up in the air so you could see the floor, which is how the Renault pictures appeared to have been taken. It was noticeable enough to be suspicious.

Even during the pit walk thru on Speed before the race the RB crew stood around the back side of the car. I don't know if they really are masking much or not. I'm guessing the exhaust relocation is part of the trick.

[John Stitch]

I have an idea that Adrian will surprise a few people when the cars hit Europe.

Heres a concept, Newey changes the exausts again, but this time they expell to stall the rear wing???

Packaging would remain almost unaffected to some extent!!!

A friend of mine (PhD from Imperial) was invited to quote on a test rig for Mclaren to test something similar a few years ago.

I cant remember the gas they were going to use to simulate the exhaust but he told me it would cost £11,000 a minute to run.

[BreezyRacer]

Sure wish we had similar pics of the RB!

I think they're going to try and make sure that doesn't happen. When Mark Webber had his failure in practice and the marshalls were lifting the car out of the gravel trap, Mark Webber purposefully stuck around and I'm sure that he was making sure that they didn't tip the car up in the air so you could see the floor, which is how the Renault pictures appeared to have been taken. It was noticeable enough to be suspicious.

Even during the pit walk thru on Speed before the race the RB crew stood around the back side of the car. I don't know if they really are masking much or not. I'm guessing the exhaust relocation is part of the trick.

There's no doubt they all try hard to protect their secrets, but if your car ends up out in the gravel, parked backwards towards the fence (thanks much corner marshalls!!!) and they dust the back of it with some nice white powder to show the true contours .. well, hey that stuff happens, just like it did to Renault. What a diffuser setup.

[ESPImperium]

I have an idea that Adrian will surprise a few people when the cars hit Europe.

Heres a concept, Newey changes the exausts again, but this time they expell to stall the rear wing???

Packaging would remain almost unaffected to some extent!!!

Erm...yeah and how would that help in the long sweeping bends? You're forgetting this system has to be switchable "without actually doing anything" so that it stalls only in a straight.

I was thinking about that, and i must admit it would be a massive disadvantage. However, arnt cornering aerodynamics slightly different, if you got the geometry right, it could be posible. But im thinking the heat could disintegrate the rear wing also.

I see technical challanges, but may be too vast for this concept. To an extent i was thinking out aloud, but im sure that someone somewhere at a F1 team has seen this and could already have had a look at it, and if it works and is put on a car??? But i was thinking out aloud here, but do aggree that it would be as much a dis-advantage as an advantage.

[segedunum]

I cannot understand why people think that the other teams cannot work out a constant ride height system within the regulations, I can so it is very unlikely IMO.

I don't think that anyone thinks that no other team is clever enough to work out what Red Bull might be doing and pay attention to the many ride levelling suspension systems out there, but it's a case of being able to implement something as quickly as possible.

We've all seen from the off-shoot thread that goes some way to describing how a system could be applied that it is feasible, but applying such a system to a Formula 1 car is no mean feat. It's going to take a lot of development and some testing time that teams don't have. With the rule 'clarification' of making suspension changes between qualifying and the race that some are seeking I think most rival teams are trying to get themselves a quick solution that will at least enable them to qualify with a lower ride height.

[segedunum]

A friend of mine (PhD from Imperial) was invited to quote on a test rig for Mclaren to test something similar a few years ago.

I cant remember the gas they were going to use to simulate the exhaust but he told me it would cost £11,000 a minute to run.

If that was around the time that Adrian Newey was there I'm not suprised. He's long had a thing for using exhaust gases to feed into the diffuser so nothing gets wasted. Going that extra mile to simulate it in that fashion sounds like something he would push for.

[John Stitch]

A friend of mine (PhD from Imperial) was invited to quote on a test rig for Mclaren to test something similar a few years ago.

I cant remember the gas they were going to use to simulate the exhaust but he told me it would cost £11,000 a minute to run.

If that was around the time that Adrian Newey was there I'm not suprised. He's long had a thing for using exhaust gases to feed into the diffuser so nothing gets wasted. Going that extra mile to simulate it in that fashion sounds like something he would push for.

I can't remember when it was but it was over 5 years ago. I'd say it was during his time there.

Interestingly my friend, who has no great knowledge of F1, thought that they would baulk at the running costs.

I told him that if it gave them .5 sec a lap they would gladly pay it.

My memory tells me the gas was hydrogen and my logic is telling me it couldn't be that for safety reasons so I'm not sure. I belive the trial was going to be at the National Physical Laboratory in the UK. http://www.npl.co.uk/

[Blackout]

Nothing realy new

[forty-two]

Nice picture.

Where and when did that shot originate from Blackout?

[Blackout]

Sepang, last lap. we see Vettel raising his arm happy with his victory.

http://images.gpupdate.net/large/150064.jpg

[meves]

Just out of interest does anyone know what the pit bloke in the top middle with the tank on his back is there for?

[twoshots]

He's the fire extinguisher man.