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You missed the point. The others all employ 550 without breaching the RRA, so all teams adhered to the RRA. Mercedes only employed 450 and are now ramping up to 550, so they either (a)misinterpreted the RRA rules on headcount or (b)thought they were that bit more clever than everyone else and believed their 450 would beat the other teams' 550. I see no evidence that Merc adhered closer to it wile others were more liberal. Either way the management didn't do everything possible to be competitive. Your long monologue on unclear rules is valid in many areas but when speaking of the RRA it seems a little disingenuous when the top three teams were all able to zero in on the 550 headcount number. The W02 is simply not a car MERCEDES BENZ should produce and there are no valid excuse, I only want to hear " We WILL DO BETTER next year". Your constant attempts to make excuses for Brawn and the team only irritate most of us Merc fans on here. I want results not a bunch of BS excuses from JET. Right now team deserves criticism, if they hear their fans or worse their management constantly making excuses what drive to get better is there? So please JET, if you really support this team, do like Marcus, and drop the excuses and take off the blinders. I feel that my 2nd favorite team is in dire need of help and I can only hope Bob Bell will start to bring that help by getting the teams head out of the clouds and coming up with solid fundamental concepts instead of a wheelbase a kilometer shorter than everyone else, stacked radiators because the car is woefully short on cooling etc.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Im sorry you dont like it.
Certain restrictions were put in place, like team size.
Unless you outsourced less in which case you could incorporate higher numbers.This was to circumvent Mad Max plan of 40 million budgets and en masse lay offs.
There is no concrete evidence to suggest what Brawn is saying is right. What Im saying here is I dont think any of the teams are to blame, or wether the "others cheat" as you put.
My point here is the wording of the RRA is lax, and that some read into it far more than others.
When it comes to this soprt of thing it should be far more strongly worded.
We hear it being a "glide path" of regression. Well Mercedes have made a mockery of that by going on a recruitment drive, havent they?
So naturally you have them spending more.
Red Bull allegedly ran very close to their 2009 budget in 2010, a few quid short of matching it.
The proposed reductions of the RRA havent had the desired effect as teams are still spending now what they did in 2010.
My point is why have an initiative if its not going to be uniformly implemented.
Mercedes intentions of running 450 staff was inline with the RRA. Do you seem them moaning about them having adhered to it and others not so literally?
Nope.
So despite what you may think I think, I feel it is the FIA's job to write better rules regarding the governance of finances rather than me thinking its the "others that cheat".
Hope that clears it up for you.
My pleasure. I can't stand the thought of Rosbergs career being being buried in uncompetitive machinery. Or Merc's name.xpensive wrote:Truer words never spoken, thank you Pierce.
Now when the team seems to have lost the 2011 plot, with MS 0.2s behind the FIs at his "home-track", Mercedes cars' involvement for 2012 will be interesting to follow. Surely Daimler cannot possibly allow for another year like this without consequences?marcush. wrote: ...
To me the issuing of a statement we will introduce minor steps this year is utter nonsense.Stop right now or blast forward pull out all stops and risks to learn what you miss.The new design will not rectify the problems you were unable to solve in 2 and a half years just by starting from a fresh screen -this time Catia V5 R19 OEM "Startmodell"......(to allow Mercedes Cars to join the party).
marcush. wrote:In fact buying saubers assets would have really closed the circle ...Sauber was originally committing to F1 on the assumption Mercedes would commit as well only to learn they lacked confidence and put concept by Mercedes stickers on iot only..
Now with Brawn basically preparing his own rocket launch ,the question must be why they bought the Brawn outfit that was already bled out. for a sum they could have aquired Sauber ...a more modern up to date outfit worthy of a worksteam status.
Pierce89 wrote:You missed the point. The others all employ 550 without breaching the RRA, so all teams adhered to the RRA. Mercedes only employed 450 and are now ramping up to 550, so they either (a)misinterpreted the RRA rules on headcount or (b)thought they were that bit more clever than everyone else and believed their 450 would beat the other teams' 550. I see no evidence that Merc adhered closer to it wile others were more liberal. Either way the management didn't do everything possible to be competitive. Your long monologue on unclear rules is valid in many areas but when speaking of the RRA it seems a little disingenuous when the top three teams were all able to zero in on the 550 headcount number. The W02 is simply not a car MERCEDES BENZ should produce and there are no valid excuse, I only want to hear " We WILL DO BETTER next year". Your constant attempts to make excuses for Brawn and the team only irritate most of us Merc fans on here. I want results not a bunch of BS excuses from JET. Right now team deserves criticism, if they hear their fans or worse their management constantly making excuses what drive to get better is there? So please JET, if you really support this team, do like Marcus, and drop the excuses and take off the blinders. I feel that my 2nd favorite team is in dire need of help and I can only hope Bob Bell will start to bring that help by getting the teams head out of the clouds and coming up with solid fundamental concepts instead of a wheelbase a kilometer shorter than everyone else, stacked radiators because the car is woefully short on cooling etc.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Im sorry you dont like it.
Certain restrictions were put in place, like team size.
Unless you outsourced less in which case you could incorporate higher numbers.This was to circumvent Mad Max plan of 40 million budgets and en masse lay offs.
There is no concrete evidence to suggest what Brawn is saying is right. What Im saying here is I dont think any of the teams are to blame, or wether the "others cheat" as you put.
My point here is the wording of the RRA is lax, and that some read into it far more than others.
When it comes to this soprt of thing it should be far more strongly worded.
We hear it being a "glide path" of regression. Well Mercedes have made a mockery of that by going on a recruitment drive, havent they?
So naturally you have them spending more.
Red Bull allegedly ran very close to their 2009 budget in 2010, a few quid short of matching it.
The proposed reductions of the RRA havent had the desired effect as teams are still spending now what they did in 2010.
My point is why have an initiative if its not going to be uniformly implemented.
Mercedes intentions of running 450 staff was inline with the RRA. Do you seem them moaning about them having adhered to it and others not so literally?
Nope.
So despite what you may think I think, I feel it is the FIA's job to write better rules regarding the governance of finances rather than me thinking its the "others that cheat".
Hope that clears it up for you.
Sorry if I come off as an a#$, but I want results from Merc and especially Rosberg and when people make all the excuses for the team, it reminds me of Honda and I just start feel like Nico will never get the car his talents deserve. I think Nico could be up there with Vettel, maybe not Fred/Lewis quality but definitely Vettel quality.
