The bitter reality is that what won Alonso the race today was Ferrari's influence as much as his driving, if not more. I know sometimes it's hard to come to grasp with reality. Now some Alonso fans come forward and claim I'm a blind hater.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Oh man it's as bad here as AutoSport. Checo admitted he made a mistake.
Fair enough
Hamilton's old engineers actually pitted Button at the correct times but had bad pit times, but still not as bad as Hamilton's call ins and pit times. Hamilton's side of the garage has been utterly incompetent since Button was given his engineers. There was something wrong with Button's first set of inters, he was complaining of absolutely no grip on them.GrizzleBoy wrote:I'm not happy how all the commentators are absolutely refusing to comment on just how badly and consistently the McLaren garage ruined their drivers race.Powershift wrote:A very strange race we have just witnessed. Perez on the harder tires faster than Alonso on the Mediums. Both McLarens seemingly struggling for grip in the wet on inters after pulling away from the field on the full wets. These Pirelli's are extremely unpredictable.
Alonso did nothing special today, if anything his team earned the win more than he did, good pit stops at the proper times, much more than what can be said for McLaren.
Hamilton should demand his engineers back from Button, because his side of the garage suck.
Drivers of the race Perez and then Senna.
Both Button & Vettel destroyed their own races.
It was unbelievably bad from them.
Think about that for a moment.Shrieker wrote:There's none so blind as those who will not see.
Shrieker wrote:I'd assume you haven't been watching for a long time then. Ferrari even back in '97 had requested from Sauber to hold their rivals even when the Sauber car was a lap down. The same Ferrari who issues team orders every opportunity they get. They aren't racers.motobaleno wrote:
that's really enourmos...why hate make you so blind to write such macroscopic un-logic things?
If perez wanted to finish 2 there was no need to do all that cinema (and take all that risks but evidently you have never driven a competion car on track and you don't have the smallest idea of what it means..) all what he had to do was to go a litle bit slower...
I'll comment on the "hate" part. If it was a good clean race without any manipulation I'd have been more than glad to applaud Alonso for winning in a dog of a car, and Perez for dragging Sauber into P2.
Not this day.
this seems starge to me. The crew was ready, the lolipop was up, but LH waited for few seconds..... How they held him?NathanOlder wrote:Martin Whitmash just saying they had to hold Lewis in the pit as Massa was heading down the pit lane.
I was watching from RTL and I don't know German. I do know however something similar had happened between Ferrari and Sauber in the past. I posted it in the previous page.Tubbs wrote:I wonder how everyone would have reacted if Skysport didn't mention team orders from Ferrari closely followed by the team radio of Sauber....
Perez went wide, wide was wet, Perez went off pretty simple...
Great race by Alonso, Perez, Senna and Vergne!
Sorry to burst your bubble our suite was above Ferrari and we could clearly see Hamilton went passed his marker thus making the rear jackman having to move further forward hence why you all would of seen the rear come up so late.zeph wrote:GrizzleBoy wrote:]
I'm not happy how all the commentators are absolutely refusing to comment on just how badly and consistently the McLaren garage ruined their drivers race.
It was unbelievably bad from them.
They certainly messed up Hamilton's race. I think Button shot himself in the foot.
Vettels release was dangerous and it was the Lotus of Raikkonen could see it clearly from above the Ferrari pits.NathanOlder wrote:Martin Whitmash just saying they had to hold Lewis in the pit as Massa was heading down the pit lane.
Does anyone think Red Bull's release of (i think) Vettel in the pit stops was dangerous. Think it was a Lotus or Williams coming into the pits and Vettel was released right into the path of the oncoming car
Ferrari had ordered Sauber to hold Villeneuve; get acquinted with the full facts before you dare call someone pathetic.Lorenzo_Bandini wrote: In 97, Williams and Mclaren fixe the last race. The Hakkinen first win. Your argument are pathetic.
Radio?vall wrote:this seems starge to me. The crew was ready, the lolipop was up, but LH waited for few seconds..... How they held him?NathanOlder wrote:Martin Whitmash just saying they had to hold Lewis in the pit as Massa was heading down the pit lane.