2019 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 29 - 31

[dans79]

Just because he said it doesn't mean he was right. Besides you could see Leclerc's LED flashing in acceleration phases, where H recovery happens.

With the amount of monitoring all the teams have, they know instantly what is wrong. I wouldn't trust the software running the LEDs to be correct if things start to fail in unforeseen ways.

What advantage it gain them to claim it was one problem instead of another?

They can't trick the other teams, but the press and fan base can be manipulated. Ferrari employees and drivers, get more grief/hate from the fans and the press for mistakes and not winning. Portraying the issue as a one of freak issue, and not something related the Ferrari ERS system, helps keep the pressure off the team and the drivers. In a close battle a team that doesn't constantly feel under the gun/magnifying glass has a substantial edge.

[rogazilla]

My question is the red light flashing means the car is unsafe to be touched. Does it take team a long time to remote shutting it down? What if this happened say at lap 3 and the car is stopped. How many safety car laps are we going to see or expect to see before marshal can touch the car and move it out of the way? Maybe some kind of grounding device the marshal can use? This situation bothers me, because that means the driver was put in a place where he could be electrocuted before able to make his way out of the car!

[ispano6]

Who said anything about refueling? You top off the car at the beginning of the race.

You're nonsensical. You can't top-off a fuel tank that's already full. And besides how would you know how many safety car laps will be run.
This contrived race extension is just silly. I'm all for disposing the Safety Car though. Slow zones would be more than fine. But there were too many baseless whiners when they suggested it. Without even a proper try during racing.

Nonsense? So you know for a fact that all teams fill the fuel tank to 100% capacity at the beginning of a race? And even if they did everyone is just as much at risk of running out of fuel unless you were smart and measured to lift and coast to save enough to finish. If you don't want to run out of fuel for an extended race after don't cause a safety car.

[Harvester]

Just because he said it doesn't mean he was right. Besides you could see Leclerc's LED flashing in acceleration phases, where H recovery happens.

With the amount of monitoring all the teams have, they know instantly what is wrong. I wouldn't trust the software running the LEDs to be correct if things start to fail in unforeseen ways.

What advantage it gain them to claim it was one problem instead of another?

They can't trick the other teams, but the press and fan base can be manipulated. Ferrari employees and drivers, get more grief/hate from the fans and the press for mistakes and not winning. Portraying the issue as a one of freak issue, and not something related the Ferrari ERS system, helps keep the pressure off the team and the drivers. In a close battle a team that doesn't constantly feel under the gun/magnifying glass has a substantial edge.

Didn't they told leclerc on radio we don't have recovery. Why do they claim there was different problem now.

[Tom145145]

My question is the red light flashing means the car is unsafe to be touched. Does it take team a long time to remote shutting it down? What if this happened say at lap 3 and the car is stopped. How many safety car laps are we going to see or expect to see before marshal can touch the car and move it out of the way? Maybe some kind of grounding device the marshal can use? This situation bothers me, because that means the driver was put in a place where he could be electrocuted before able to make his way out of the car!

You can’t be electrocuted whilst in the car as there is no potential, only when touching the ground and car is there a risk.
This is when you will see the marshals wearing insulating gloves, no need to use a “grounding device”. This would actually put them more at risk.

[Tom145145]

Who said anything about refueling? You top off the car at the beginning of the race.

You're nonsensical. You can't top-off a fuel tank that's already full. And besides how would you know how many safety car laps will be run.
This contrived race extension is just silly. I'm all for disposing the Safety Car though. Slow zones would be more than fine. But there were too many baseless whiners when they suggested it. Without even a proper try during racing.

Nonsense? So you know for a fact that all teams fill the fuel tank to 100% capacity at the beginning of a race? And even if they did everyone is just as much at risk of running out of fuel unless you were smart and measured to lift and coast to save enough to finish. If you don't want to run out of fuel for an extended race after don't cause a safety car.

What recurring problem would this solve? I think more can be done like partial course VSC etc as others have said. But no team will add more fuel just in case, you would just get extra laps of fuel conservation. Also the nature of a GP is a fixed distance so I think this fundamentally goes against that, even the formation lap is included in the distance.

[mzso]

With the amount of monitoring all the teams have, they know instantly what is wrong. I wouldn't trust the software running the LEDs to be correct if things start to fail in unforeseen ways.

Just because you state something repeatedly doesn't make it true. For one the race engineer in contact with the driver is certainly not looking at engine data, he could have been plain wrong. It could be that the H was automatically switched off because of the problem. He didn't say it failed. Many things are possible.

They can't trick the other teams, but the press and fan base can be manipulated. Ferrari employees and drivers, get more grief/hate from the fans and the press for mistakes and not winning. Portraying the issue as a one of freak issue, and not something related the Ferrari ERS system, helps keep the pressure off the team and the drivers. In a close battle a team that doesn't constantly feel under the gun/magnifying glass has a substantial edge.

Pfff. Because it has to be a pointless conspiracy... Because fans go on a frenzy if it's the MGU but not if it's a cylinder.

Nonsense? So you know for a fact that all teams fill the fuel tank to 100% capacity at the beginning of a race? And even if they did everyone is just as much at risk of running out of fuel unless you were smart and measured to lift and coast to save enough to finish. If you don't want to run out of fuel for an extended race after don't cause a safety car.

They might not if they think they can do it with less fuel and the weight advantage is more important. However they certainly don't have more volume than the maximum amount.
Not that it matters. Fueling with an unknown amount to an unknowable safety-car phase is not realistic and beyond comical.

If you don't want to run out of fuel for an extended race after don't cause a safety car.

Because that's how reality works... The silliest comment I've ever seen here.

[mzso]

Didn't they told leclerc on radio we don't have recovery. Why do they claim there was different problem now.

Well, instead of world wide conspiracy it might be a mistake as I detailed above. (It might be even a mistake by who added the radio messages by mixing up messages) And many other things.

[MtthsMlw]

Just because he said it doesn't mean he was right. Besides you could see Leclerc's LED flashing in acceleration phases, where H recovery happens.

With the amount of monitoring all the teams have, they know instantly what is wrong. I wouldn't trust the software running the LEDs to be correct if things start to fail in unforeseen ways.

What advantage it gain them to claim it was one problem instead of another?

They can't trick the other teams, but the press and fan base can be manipulated. Ferrari employees and drivers, get more grief/hate from the fans and the press for mistakes and not winning. Portraying the issue as a one of freak issue, and not something related the Ferrari ERS system, helps keep the pressure off the team and the drivers. In a close battle a team that doesn't constantly feel under the gun/magnifying glass has a substantial edge.

Didn't they told leclerc on radio we don't have recovery. Why do they claim there was different problem now.

Maybe the cylinder problem caused some kind of failsafe mode for other components, disabling parts of the ERS as a precaution.

[ispano6]

My question is the red light flashing means the car is unsafe to be touched. Does it take team a long time to remote shutting it down? What if this happened say at lap 3 and the car is stopped. How many safety car laps are we going to see or expect to see before marshal can touch the car and move it out of the way? Maybe some kind of grounding device the marshal can use? This situation bothers me, because that means the driver was put in a place where he could be electrocuted before able to make his way out of the car!

You can’t be electrocuted whilst in the car as there is no potential, only when touching the ground and car is there a risk.
This is when you will see the marshals wearing insulating gloves, no need to use a “grounding device”. This would actually put them more at risk.

Seems that modern F1 cars then need a master safety harness that marshals can disconnect battery systems and a terminal that can drain any leftover charge in the system. They also need to come up with a rubber and wooden marshals steering wheel that can replace a drivers steering wheel.

[SmallSoldier]

Who said anything about refueling? You top off the car at the beginning of the race.

You're nonsensical. You can't top-off a fuel tank that's already full. And besides how would you know how many safety car laps will be run.
This contrived race extension is just silly. I'm all for disposing the Safety Car though. Slow zones would be more than fine. But there were too many baseless whiners when they suggested it. Without even a proper try during racing.

Nonsense? So you know for a fact that all teams fill the fuel tank to 100% capacity at the beginning of a race? And even if they did everyone is just as much at risk of running out of fuel unless you were smart and measured to lift and coast to save enough to finish. If you don't want to run out of fuel for an extended race after don't cause a safety car.

I disagree that the Safety Car took away from the drama... On the contrary, it added to it big time.

It was clear that without the Safety Car Leclerc would have finished 4th, Max would have passed him without any issues or drama involved since they were cutting the gap at 6 seconds per lap.

The Safety Car threw a wrench on what was a given by lap 54, with the likes of Leclerc and Ferrari wondering if the race would be restarted or not.

You are just upset that the Safety Car made Verstappen miss a podium and probably that’s why almost all of Red Bull’s fans aren’t happy with it... But for the rest of the fans out there, it was an interesting swerve to the end of the Grand Prix.

Less than 1% of Grand Prix have ever finished with a Safety Car, nevertheless I would be willing to bet that more 50% of Grand Prix have ended with no change in positions in the last 5 laps, with teams just making sure they “brought the car home”... In that sense, the finish with the Safety Car was better than all of those type of finishes.


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[ispano6]

You're nonsensical. You can't top-off a fuel tank that's already full. And besides how would you know how many safety car laps will be run.
This contrived race extension is just silly. I'm all for disposing the Safety Car though. Slow zones would be more than fine. But there were too many baseless whiners when they suggested it. Without even a proper try during racing.

Nonsense? So you know for a fact that all teams fill the fuel tank to 100% capacity at the beginning of a race? And even if they did everyone is just as much at risk of running out of fuel unless you were smart and measured to lift and coast to save enough to finish. If you don't want to run out of fuel for an extended race after don't cause a safety car.

What recurring problem would this solve? I think more can be done like partial course VSC etc as others have said. But no team will add more fuel just in case, you would just get extra laps of fuel conservation. Also the nature of a GP is a fixed distance so I think this fundamentally goes against that, even the formation lap is included in the distance.

This is to prevent it from recurring. Fine, then red flag the grid, have them line up in pitlane with no tire or setting changes allowed (not a new idea) , perhaps only cooling fans, and release them according to the time deltas prior to the red flag so as to keep things fair(my new idea).

You've solved the problem of a racing finish, of race distance, saving fuel idling, no cars on track while marshals work, more race time (unless they cut your program short, which never happens because we have ceremonies time to bleed into).
Some might complain that the cars might overheat while idling, or the tires will fall out of operating window, but everyone will deal with it. Seriously, ending on a safety car needs to be looked at.

[Sieper]

Haha, Yes that is correct, the safety car added another element of drama, very true. And I was indeed upset”ish” to see Max Miss the podium. But as he said, Charles deserved it. I will be curious to see what his mgu issues will mean for the next race. All 6 Ferrari engines (except for giovinazzi who seems to struggle) were in Q3 here. That seems like a monstruos power gain to me.

[GrandAxe]

Just because you state something repeatedly doesn't make it true. For one the race engineer in contact with the driver is certainly not looking at engine data, he could have been plain wrong. It could be that the H was automatically switched off because of the problem. He didn't say it failed. Many things are possible.

The race engineer would most certainly be looking at engine data. He would know if the MGU-K failed, the driver would also be able to feel the loss of a cylinder in the amount of vibrations.
There is enough reason to claim that a cylinder failed if for instance, the mode of engine operation and the visible loss of 40Kph straight line speed would give opponents an insight into how Ferrari manages to deploy longer than other teams.

[dans79]

Well, instead of world wide conspiracy it might be a mistake as I detailed above. (It might be even a mistake by who added the radio messages by mixing up messages) And many other things.

I Heard it live, so no way can they "mixing up messages"....