2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

[NathanOlder]

no no no! you really dont get it.

Jerez 97, Villeneuve on the inside, Schumacher turned in to him. Schumacher had masses of room to his left.

Austria 19, Leclerc has no room left as Max was running out wide in to him!!

[NathanOlder]

In my opinion, both the Austria incident and the incident at Silverstone we are discussing, both times contact happened were Max's doing.

both times Charles was on the edge of the track so he couldn't move over. both times the cars were side by side, both times Max was moving towards the edge of the track leaving no room for another car.

lets not talk about Austria here, this is the Silverstone thread, so why even bring it up?

[Pyrone89]

As I figured you are actually thinking that it is Max’s fault whatever happens. Even with the two being almost carbon copies in reverse roles with the added detail of GB both going off.

We are not going to agree on this.So lets agree to strongly disagree. However if you feel it should be discussed further we can do so through the direct message function to not go offtopic.

[NathanOlder]

As I figured you are actually thinking that it is Max’s fault whatever happens. Even with the two being almost carbon copies in reverse roles with the added detail of GB both going off.

We are not going to agree on this.So lets agree to strongly disagree. However if you feel it should be discussed further we can do so through the direct message function to not go offtopic.

Not at all, Seb was to blame for his incident with Max so its not always Max's fault.

Answer these questions with a yes/no answer....

Were the cars side by side?

Was Max aware that Charles was there?

Was Charles aware of Max being there?

At the point of contact could Charles move more to his right?

At the point of contact could Max move more to his left?

[Pyrone89]

As I figured you are actually thinking that it is Max’s fault whatever happens. Even with the two being almost carbon copies in reverse roles with the added detail of GB both going off.

We are not going to agree on this.So lets agree to strongly disagree. However if you feel it should be discussed further we can do so through the direct message function to not go offtopic.

Not at all, Seb was to blame for his incident with Max so its not always Max's fault.

Answer these questions with a yes/no answer....

Were the cars side by side?

Was Max aware that Charles was there?

Was Charles aware of Max being there?

At the point of contact could Charles move more to his right?

At the point of contact could Max move more to his left?

Did you see my previous post?

[Zarathustra]

Answer these questions with a yes/no answer....

No.

Could we please move on.

[NathanOlder]

As I figured you are actually thinking that it is Max’s fault whatever happens. Even with the two being almost carbon copies in reverse roles with the added detail of GB both going off.

We are not going to agree on this.So lets agree to strongly disagree. However if you feel it should be discussed further we can do so through the direct message function to not go offtopic.

Not at all, Seb was to blame for his incident with Max so its not always Max's fault.

Answer these questions with a yes/no answer....

Were the cars side by side?

Was Max aware that Charles was there?

Was Charles aware of Max being there?

At the point of contact could Charles move more to his right?

At the point of contact could Max move more to his left?

Did you see my previous post?

yeah, thats the bit quoted in my post, surely that shows I have seen it?

[NathanOlder]

Answer these questions with a yes/no answer....

No.

Could we please move on.

Sorry my post was aimed at the man/woman I had quoted. We are discussing an incident in the 2019 British Grand Prix, In the 2019 British Grand Prix thread.

If you are speaking about the references to the Austrian Grand Prix, feel free to ask the user who brought that in to this chat. It wasn't me.

[Zarathustra]

Sorry my post was aimed at the man/woman I had quoted.

Why not continue with pm’s?

I think you made your point loud ‘n clear.

[NathanOlder]

Sorry my post was aimed at the man/woman I had quoted.

Why not continue with pm’s?

I think you made your point loud ‘n clear.

Its in an open forum so others can add their input/opinions.

and not just

"no, can we please move on"

I have made valid points about wjy ot was Max who created the contact on both occasions, Im not saying the Silverstone one was worthy of a penalty, Im just saying it was Max who bumped Charles, not the other way around

[Pyrone89]

Sorry my post was aimed at the man/woman I had quoted.

Why not continue with pm’s?

I think you made your point loud ‘n clear.

Its in an open forum so others can add their input/opinions.

and not just

"no, can we please move on"

I have made valid points about wjy ot was Max who created the contact on both occasions, Im not saying the Silverstone one was worthy of a penalty, Im just saying it was Max who bumped Charles, not the other way around

My previous post made it clear I see it differently and the arguments why, as have others in the respective GP topics. We ended up going in circles which is why I suggested to break it off or continue through PM not to piss others off (which as you can see has started to happen). I honestly dont think PM’ing will change either of our minds anyway, but at least it does not makes us repeat the last 2 pages again and again.

[Zarathustra]

Its in an open forum so others can add their input/opinions.

and not just

"no, can we please move on"

It’s not just about ‘adding their input/opinions’- it’s about having open discussions, where people listen to each other.

Your input is presenting your opinions as facts.

yes/no?

[NathanOlder]

So just to clear this up Pyrone89, you see it differently to this...

Max wanted to use the full width of the track, but Charles was there alongside.

and that goes for both incidents, Austria and Silverstone.

Just end it now by answering that you see it that way, or see it differently.

[NathanOlder]

Its in an open forum so others can add their input/opinions.

and not just

"no, can we please move on"

It’s not just about ‘adding their input/opinions’- it’s about having open discussions, where people listen to each other.

Your input is presenting your opinions as facts.

yes/no?

Yes, my input is as I just said,

Max wanted to use the full width of the track, while a car was alongside him.

Or am I wrong?

[Pyrone89]

So just to clear this up Pyrone89, you see it differently to this...

Max wanted to use the full width of the track, but Charles was there alongside.

and that goes for both incidents, Austria and Silverstone.

Just end it now by answering that you see it that way, or see it differently.

This is going to be my final post on this, and I have explained why.
1. I think Max wanted to use the whole track in Austria, had the racing line at the moment they came together, Charles did not yield because there is no gravel and turned in anyway. Max always stayed on the track during the manouvre.
2. I think Charles wanted to use the whole track in Silverstone, did not yet have the racing line at the moment they came together, Max turned in anyway and did not yield as there is no gravel. Charles then also left the track himself and could because there is no gravel.