Malaysian GP 2012 - Sepang International Circuit

[Giblet]

I'll assume you didn't hear the part where they told Perez "we need to keep this position" literally half a lap before he went off. If you tell me that was an honest mistake after that transmission it's an insult to human intelligence.

I understand you have a very strong opinion about this, but it is not a certainty. That is a reasonable thing to assume, no?

Talking about like it is a certainty is a fool's game because there is no proof. (I know you are not a fool Shrieker, just using the phrase).

Also, the radio messages are delayed often by near a minute. Keeping the position can also mean "don't lost second".

This is not certain, and I don't think it is the case.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Whitmarsh just saying Perez must've put pressure on Massa

[FrukostScones]

Martin Whitmash just saying they had to hold Lewis in the pit as Massa was heading down the pit lane.

this seems starge to me. The crew was ready, the lolipop was up, but LH waited for few seconds..... How they held him?

the red light

[vall]

Martin Whitmash just saying they had to hold Lewis in the pit as Massa was heading down the pit lane.

this seems starge to me. The crew was ready, the lolipop was up, but LH waited for few seconds..... How they held him?

Radio?

why do they have the lolipot then? The drives start as soon as the lolipot is up, no? Radios are known to fail, etc. Why use it in such an impotrant moment?

[banibhusan]

Martin Whitmash just saying they had to hold Lewis in the pit as Massa was heading down the pit lane.

this seems starge to me. The crew was ready, the lolipop was up, but LH waited for few seconds..... How they held him?

Radio?

Ferrari may have ordered McLaren to hold Lewis, as some experts predict that they have certainly ordered Sauber to hold off Perez.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

In 97, Williams and Mclaren fixe the last race. The Hakkinen first win. Your argument are pathetic.

Ferrari had ordered Sauber to hold Villeneuve; get acquinted with the full facts before you dare call someone pathetic.

Before the race, Williams and Mclaren had a deal, if Schumacher was DNF, and Villeneuve was in front, he was to let pass both Mclaren driver.

And guess why ? When Schumacher was DNF, Villeneuve let pass both Mclaren driver.

[Shrieker]

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

Think about that for a moment.

I have, the odds are pretty low that the result wasn't manipulated, I wouldn't be banging about it if I thought I was wrong.

I'll assume you didn't hear the part where they told Perez "we need to keep this position" literally half a lap before he went off. If you tell me that was an honest mistake after that transmission it's an insult to human intelligence.

I understand you have a very strong opinion about this, but it is not a certainty. That is a reasonable thing to assume, no?

Talking about like it is a certainty is a fool's game because there is no proof. (I know you are not a fool Shrieker, just using the phrase).

Also, the radio messages are delayed often by near a minute. Keeping the position can also mean "don't lost second".

This is not certain, and I don't think it is the case.

It's not certain by any means, expererience from the past shows it's very likely though.

[stefan_]

Raikkonen is as unflappable as ever. To me he always looks like he is driving with one hand in his pocket. While eating ice cream.

Fixed

[GrizzleBoy]

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I'm not happy how all the commentators are absolutely refusing to comment on just how badly and consistently the McLaren garage ruined their drivers race.

It was unbelievably bad from them.

They certainly messed up Hamilton's race. I think Button shot himself in the foot.

Sorry to burst your bubble our suite was above Ferrari and we could clearly see Hamilton went passed his marker thus making the rear jackman having to move further forward hence why you all would of seen the rear come up so late.

And?

It's not the fact that the rear jack man had to move a WHOLE 20 cm or so forward than usual (I mean really? that's an excuse?), it's the fact that he was fumbling around like a virgin male trying to remove an overweight womans bra for the first time.

Then there was the what, three seconds they spent trying to remove tape from his brake ducts (which you missed apparently).

Then there was the poor stop Button had.

I don't care where you were sitting, the McLaren garage performed miserably today.

[mahesh248]

[quote="vall"][quote="stefan_"][quote="vall"][quote="NathanOlder"]Martin Whitmash just saying they had to hold Lewis in the pit as Massa was heading down the pit lane.
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this seems starge to me. The crew was ready, the lolipop was up, but LH waited for few seconds..... How they held him?[/quote]

Radio?[/quote]

why do they have the lolipot then? The drives start as soon as the lolipot is up, no? Radios are known to fail, etc. Why use it in such an impotrant moment?[/quote]

There is an Indicator , which turns green which in turn is the signal for the driver to exit the box , I think Mclaren choose to lose a few seconds than to get a driver through for unsafe release. Good move by them...

[King Six]

It wasn't a deliberate off-track excursion, but the radio message was definitely a key factor as to why he went off. He was simply doing too good before the message to think that it didn't have an impact. I won't say he went off track deliberately, but the message unnerved him massively.

[Powershift]

Sorry to burst your bubble our suite was above Ferrari and we could clearly see Hamilton went passed his marker thus making the rear jackman having to move further forward hence why you all would of seen the rear come up so late.

HAM's long(8.1 second) stop was because they spent 4 seconds trying to rip the tape off the front brake ducts. His first stop was slow mainly because he had to wait for Massa to flash by. But both stops were at least 1 and probably 2 laps after when they should have been. Hamilton lost at least 15seconds because of poor pit strategy/stops today.

[GrizzleBoy]

It wasn't a deliberate off-track excursion, but the radio message was definitely a key factor as to why he went off. He was simply doing too good before the message to think that it didn't have an impact. I won't say he went off track deliberately, but the message unnerved him massively.

I would agree with this.

It was a very negative sounding message that even left me feeling a bit down, let alone the driver.

[Websta]

I don't think Sergio would have complied with any request to back off anyway, there is nothing to suggest that he had any intention of holding station after his off - He had the hammer down hard and reeled back 4 odd seconds off Alonso's lead. Whilst it is undeniable that this sort of tactic is right out of the Scuderia's play book and, as Shrieker points out, they have a lot of influence over Sauber, there's little evidence to suggest that they were ordering Sauber to reign Sergio in today. At least at the moment.

[zeph]

Sorry to burst your bubble our suite was above Ferrari and we could clearly see Hamilton went passed his marker thus making the rear jackman having to move further forward hence why you all would of seen the rear come up so late.

HAM's long(8.1 second) stop was because they spent 4 seconds trying to rip the tape off the front brake ducts. His first stop was slow mainly because he had to wait for Massa to flash by. But both stops were at least 1 and probably 2 laps after when they should have been. Hamilton lost at least 15seconds because of poor pit strategy/stops today.

This.