2017 F1 general testing thread

[Big Mangalhit]

I cannot answer if Mercedes got it rlght or wrong. I simply do not know.

Thanks! What about the rest? Is that more or less the underlying idea behind why some teams have chosen a longer wheelbase opposed to why some have not?

What you say is quite correct, although it has to be noted the understeer allows for more stability in high speed corners. Gary is heavily focussed on a couple of specific corners, but neglects checking how the cars behave in high speed ones. Or how fast the cars actually are at corner entry, mid corner and corner exit in his specific set of corners. Hamilton might be lifting a lot before the corner, but the understeer might allow him to apply throttle much quicker at corner exit.

Actually Gary has spoken of every corner, and the one he spoke more recently was the turn 3, a high speed corner

[dans79]

What you say is quite correct, although it has to be noted the understeer allows for more stability in high speed corners. Gary is heavily focussed on a couple of specific corners, but neglects checking how the cars behave in high speed ones. Or how fast the cars actually are at corner entry, mid corner and corner exit in his specific set of corners. Hamilton might be lifting a lot before the corner, but the understeer might allow him to apply throttle much quicker at corner exit.

It could also be that Merc are having a hard time keeping the mediums in the operating window given the track temperatures.

09:54 Without doubt, the Mercedes looks a lot better around Turn 3 on softs than it did on mediums earlier in this race run. The front end stays tucked in and, in general, the car looks more stable.
Gary Anderson

[Restomaniac]

Thanks! What about the rest? Is that more or less the underlying idea behind why some teams have chosen a longer wheelbase opposed to why some have not?

What you say is quite correct, although it has to be noted the understeer allows for more stability in high speed corners. Gary is heavily focussed on a couple of specific corners, but neglects checking how the cars behave in high speed ones. Or how fast the cars actually are at corner entry, mid corner and corner exit in his specific set of corners. Hamilton might be lifting a lot before the corner, but the understeer might allow him to apply throttle much quicker at corner exit.

Actually Gary has spoken of every corner, and the one he spoke more recently was the turn 3, a high speed corner

Which he stated Hamilton had to take like a hairpin.

Now how you take that corner as a hairpin is anyones guess.

[Shaddock]

15:54 Without doubt, the Mercedes looks a lot better around Turn 3 on softs than it did on mediums earlier in this race run. The front end stays tucked in and, in general, the car looks more stable.Gary Anderson

They have removed the cones from turn 3

[dren]

You take it like Stoll and drive off track.

[clipsy1H]

The funny thing is that all of you or the largest part of you think at Red Bull and their game. For me is very simple as it was from beginning when i said and get a lot of -rep.
Red Bull are so bad at this moment and for me it's so clear that they can't fight fort title, they have a weak car and by time when it get upgraded to Merc and Ferrari it will cost a lot of time something like middle of the year or maybe earlier but still Merc and Ferrari will bring upgrades and the gap can't reduce by Red Bull.
It was funny for me to get down rep but now it's even funny to see how Red Bull is seconds away. I expect Renault to take over Red Bull and maybe close the gap to Ferrari and Merc.

I feel bad for Felipe because he deserve a better car at his end of career. But not even Michael had it...at least he did an amazing job to build Mercedes in what is now and because of his work Lewis had winning cars.

[drunkf1fan]

Wasn't there a rumour just after the Merc car launch that they had a shorter wheel base version, I forget exactly what they said in the works maybe or that they will bring to the test, maybe decide which works best for them.

[Restomaniac]

You take it like Stoll and drive off track.

Quite.

[bonjon1979]

First stint in Hamilton's race sim started

1:25.087

And how much time a full tank costs again?

Around 7 seconds, I'd estimate? Anyone else.

It's starting to look like Ferrari and Merc are in the same ball park. But we'll need to see more race sims to start extrapolating too much and I think even then we'll only be able to say that they're not too far off one another. Red Bull are playing their hand very close to their chest. The huge caveat I would add to all this is that we are testing at temperatures that bear no resemblance to those the cars will face in melbourne. We could see big changes when they're operating at proper temperature.

[Felipe 92]

[Big Mangalhit]

Well so far Ferrari has been the car that impresses the most. It has been praised for stability, is doing fast laps and maybe the most relevant (or only relevant) aspect it has dons 100+ laps every day without having had a single problem so far.

Mercedes is probably (undoubtably almost) still better and has turned a lot more laps, but that is not the point. Everyone expects mercedes to be the better team. Why wouldn't you? They have the best base to build upon, the best engine and a very big budget. Most of all they seem to have the best structure of any team.

Completely on the opposite side, Ferrari had terrible rumours, and worse of all, they had lost the TD mid season before a technical overhaul. I mean they were predicted by many here on the website to be a contender for 5th or 6th place. That may still happen of course. But so far they seem to be on track.

[AMG.Tzan]

Wasn't there a rumour just after the Merc car launch that they had a shorter wheel base version, I forget exactly what they said in the works maybe or that they will bring to the test, maybe decide which works best for them.

That was a Ferrari rumor! Because Ferrari have a short wheelbase they said that they have a long wheelbase version if needed by mid-season!!

[Big Mangalhit]

What you say is quite correct, although it has to be noted the understeer allows for more stability in high speed corners. Gary is heavily focussed on a couple of specific corners, but neglects checking how the cars behave in high speed ones. Or how fast the cars actually are at corner entry, mid corner and corner exit in his specific set of corners. Hamilton might be lifting a lot before the corner, but the understeer might allow him to apply throttle much quicker at corner exit.

Actually Gary has spoken of every corner, and the one he spoke more recently was the turn 3, a high speed corner

Which he stated Hamilton had to take like a hairpin.

Now how you take that corner as a hairpin is anyones guess.

He said "Turn 3 has becoming increasingly like a hairpin for the Mercedes". Obviously it doesn't mean it is a hairpin, just that the angle he approaches the corner is more shallow and with more braking, instead of a more fluid open corner.

[turbof1]

What you say is quite correct, although it has to be noted the understeer allows for more stability in high speed corners. Gary is heavily focussed on a couple of specific corners, but neglects checking how the cars behave in high speed ones. Or how fast the cars actually are at corner entry, mid corner and corner exit in his specific set of corners. Hamilton might be lifting a lot before the corner, but the understeer might allow him to apply throttle much quicker at corner exit.

Actually Gary has spoken of every corner, and the one he spoke more recently was the turn 3, a high speed corner

Which he stated Hamilton had to take like a hairpin.

Now how you take that corner as a hairpin is anyones guess.

Then I stand corrected, my apologies.

[dren]

Wasn't there a rumour just after the Merc car launch that they had a shorter wheel base version, I forget exactly what they said in the works maybe or that they will bring to the test, maybe decide which works best for them.

That was a Ferrari rumor! Because Ferrari have a short wheelbase they said that they have a long wheelbase version if needed by mid-season!!

The other rumor is Ferrari has been shopping around to Renault and Honda for power units if they fail to win any races mid season.