2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[mwillems]

He looks comparable on power as you can see after the exit of turn 2 and on the home straight. He seems lose speed from the exit of turn 10 and continues to lose down the straight, but also through the higher speed section, so a mix of power and downforce.

[Ben1980]

Didn't see it. But, I can live with messing up with a fast car. It happens when pushing. If we are messing up with slow car it's more of a problem l.

[Seerix]

Didn't see it. But, I can live with messing up with a fast car. It happens when pushing. If we are messing up with slow car it's more of a problem l.

Quite the opposite. Messing up in slow car is ok because they need to overdrive it to be fast. Messing up easy p2 p3/p4 is much worse.
There might be an entertaining race on Sunday, but they should be keeping Max in check and they will be scrapping for top4 instead.

[SmallSoldier]

Didn't see it. But, I can live with messing up with a fast car. It happens when pushing. If we are messing up with slow car it's more of a problem l.

In my book Lando has a lot of credit left to make a few mistakes here and there… He has been placing the McLaren in positions it had no right to be in for quite a while now.

And between pushing maybe trying to get a pole and difficult conditions on the track (green / slippery + windy) can’t really punish the guy… Also, some seem to think that just scrubbing a tenth or two is easy job… Taking it easy could have well placed them in P6 or below… They took a risk for the front row and it didn’t pay off, it happens

[Ben1980]

Didn't see it. But, I can live with messing up with a fast car. It happens when pushing. If we are messing up with slow car it's more of a problem l.

Quite the opposite. Messing up in slow car is ok because they need to overdrive it to be fast. Messing up easy p2 p3/p4 is much worse.
There might be an entertaining race on Sunday, but they should be keeping Max in check and they will be scrapping for top4 instead.

In just, in not that bothered. It's something that can happen, one of those things. The car is fine, in fact it's good.

[MCLvamos]

Just remembered that all that sand is still gonna be sitting there off-line, any overtakes will have to be simple DRS passes on the main straight. Imo the team should see what the racing is like tomorrow and, if its extremely tricky to pass, just take the penalty on Lando's car to maximise the races coming up

And a question? If they did change the engine after the sprint, would that be a pitlane start or would there be a further penalty like Sargeant last week? Ik if its a normal weekend and you do it after quali its a pitlane but idk if its different with a sprint too.

[Ben1980]

Didn't see it. But, I can live with messing up with a fast car. It happens when pushing. If we are messing up with slow car it's more of a problem l.

In my book Lando has a lot of credit left to make a few mistakes here and there… He has been placing the McLaren in positions it had no right to be in for quite a while now.

And between pushing maybe trying to get a pole and difficult conditions on the track (green / slippery + windy) can’t really punish the guy… Also, some seem to think that just scrubbing a tenth or two is easy job… Taking it easy could have well placed them in P6 or below… They took a risk for the front row and it didn’t pay off, it happens

Yep. It's just something that can happen. We aren't really challenging for anything overall, so try amd push and take the consequences. It's all fine with me.

[mwillems]

Didn't see it. But, I can live with messing up with a fast car. It happens when pushing. If we are messing up with slow car it's more of a problem l.

In my book Lando has a lot of credit left to make a few mistakes here and there… He has been placing the McLaren in positions it had no right to be in for quite a while now.

And between pushing maybe trying to get a pole and difficult conditions on the track (green / slippery + windy) can’t really punish the guy… Also, some seem to think that just scrubbing a tenth or two is easy job… Taking it easy could have well placed them in P6 or below… They took a risk for the front row and it didn’t pay off, it happens

You are right of course, in the context of this season. But when we start pushing hard at the front of the constructors championship and the drivers championship, these mistakes can be the difference. I think what some are suggesting is that Lando may make a few too many mistakes on Qualy laps and not be able to max his speed consistently like others can.

It doesn't make a difference this year, but from next year onwards it may well do.

[billamend]

I think what some are suggesting is that Lando may make a few too many mistakes on Qualy laps and not be able to max his speed consistently like others can.

A driver than in 5y has never been beaten in qualifying, makes “too many mistakes in Qualy”. Suuure…

[LionsHeart]

Top speeds taken from fastest q3 runs by fastest driver of each top 5 team

https://i.imgur.com/yVghAV2.png

Thank you. Can we get the data from Lando's lap?

Included the delta to see if we can maybe see Lando losing time from lack of power

https://i.imgur.com/sQt1Fqg.png

Thank you so much!

[mwillems]

I think what some are suggesting is that Lando may make a few too many mistakes on Qualy laps and not be able to max his speed consistently like others can.

A driver than in 5y has never been beaten in qualifying, makes “too many mistakes in Qualy”. Suuure…

Never been beaten in Qualy? Lando?

it's 12-5 this year to Lando, he's been beaten 5 times.

[Ben1980]

Didn't see it. But, I can live with messing up with a fast car. It happens when pushing. If we are messing up with slow car it's more of a problem l.

In my book Lando has a lot of credit left to make a few mistakes here and there… He has been placing the McLaren in positions it had no right to be in for quite a while now.

And between pushing maybe trying to get a pole and difficult conditions on the track (green / slippery + windy) can’t really punish the guy… Also, some seem to think that just scrubbing a tenth or two is easy job… Taking it easy could have well placed them in P6 or below… They took a risk for the front row and it didn’t pay off, it happens

You are right of course, in the context of this season. But when we start pushing hard at the front of the constructors championship and the drivers championship, these mistakes can be the difference. I think what some are suggesting is that Lando may make a few too many mistakes on Qualy laps and not be able to max his speed consistently like others can.

It doesn't make a difference this year, but from next year onwards it may well do.

Well yep, but it'd pretty clear that Lando has been pretty damn good at this qualifying lark over the recent years. The odd mixup, is pretty normal anyway. Nothing to worry about.

[mwillems]

In my book Lando has a lot of credit left to make a few mistakes here and there… He has been placing the McLaren in positions it had no right to be in for quite a while now.

And between pushing maybe trying to get a pole and difficult conditions on the track (green / slippery + windy) can’t really punish the guy… Also, some seem to think that just scrubbing a tenth or two is easy job… Taking it easy could have well placed them in P6 or below… They took a risk for the front row and it didn’t pay off, it happens

You are right of course, in the context of this season. But when we start pushing hard at the front of the constructors championship and the drivers championship, these mistakes can be the difference. I think what some are suggesting is that Lando may make a few too many mistakes on Qualy laps and not be able to max his speed consistently like others can.

It doesn't make a difference this year, but from next year onwards it may well do.

Well yep, but it'd pretty clear that Lando has been pretty damn good at this qualifying lark over the recent years. The odd mixup, is pretty normal anyway. Nothing to worry about.

It's not a question of being good at Qualy, but when you're in a title fight and every point counts, the driver that doesn't make those mistakes gets the advantage. It becomes a question of being Consistently good at qualy.

[AR3-GP]

I think what some are suggesting is that Lando may make a few too many mistakes on Qualy laps and not be able to max his speed consistently like others can.

A driver than in 5y has never been beaten in qualifying, makes “too many mistakes in Qualy”. Suuure…

Never been beaten in Qualy? Lando?

it's 12-5 this year to Lando, he's been beaten 5 times.

I assume OP is referring to the qualy h2h victor.

[LionsHeart]

I think what some are suggesting is that Lando may make a few too many mistakes on Qualy laps and not be able to max his speed consistently like others can.

A driver than in 5y has never been beaten in qualifying, makes “too many mistakes in Qualy”. Suuure…

Lando is just a bit beyond the capabilities of the car. No one has ever beaten him in qualifying in the last 5 years, and he's made quite a few mistakes in decisive attempts in qualifying in those 5 years. One doesn't prevent the other.
At least Lando is honest with himself and the team. He's been that way many times before. I am sure he will be able to get back in the race, the main thing is not to overdo it with aggressiveness.