[KVRC] Khamsin Virtual Racecar Challenge 2016

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machin
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etsmc wrote:is the issue purely because I am sending most of the air over the car?
In my opinion that is almost certainly the issue: the air feeding your cooling duct is only the air that goes under your front diffuser - that's a very small portion of the air that meets the front of your car: most of it goes over the top...
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Hi. I would like to apologies for having gone off the radar and the lateness in plenty of things. A couple of notes on the comments I missed:
Have had runtime errors with Paraview in the past, I have a couple of different versions installed just in case :D
Sounds very much like ParaView. I can't see the full simulations on my machine. You can try the following
- Export the openFoam cases to VTK using foamToVTK (check the options first, from memory use -latestTime and some other option to just do the internal mesh); Then load the VTK data in ParaView. It is normally a little more lightweight.
You say that but I have tried on numerous occasions over the last 4 years to get my head around Solidworks etc but to no avail.
Same for me. i just can't grasp the solidworks concept properly
I think its mostly modelling ability, Blindblom has always had these issues although this car is better than past entries
Anyway, it was only a suggestion. A small competition like KVRC will only get by and improve with ideas from those involved, shutting them down and dismissing the abilities of others wont help it.
I feel the same. My vision is for KVRC to be encompassing and inclusive, not just for the select few. Everyone has to start somewhere and practice to get better. This challenge also has to deal with the technology arm-race...
Great news about the parallel solver! Thanks! Is the solution only related to a specific OF compilation (BlueCape) or it will work with other OF porting/virtualizations (CFDsupport, SimFlow, ESI, ...)?
It is a specific OF compilation. There is no change on the OCCFD side. I am running some tests to make sure the porous radiator works and will release (hopefully tonight). Also fixed is the pressure scale so that next round of image will make sense.
I was thinking about it and I am convinced that a good compromise (waiting for the porous CFD model that would fix anything) would be to apply the reduction only to half of the total power:
Matteo, OCCFD is like every software, the next version will fix everything... not...

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Next race has been pushed back to 28 April, just so people can get to grip with the soon to be released OCCFD.

One thing I am getting excited about: we are in touch with SimScale with the view of running a aerodynamic simulation workshop based on the KVRC template. This will (hopefully) be tied up with onShape that could be used for the geometry part. More news to come as they become available...

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CAEdevice
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julien.decharentenay wrote:
I was thinking about it and I am convinced that a good compromise (waiting for the porous CFD model that would fix anything) would be to apply the reduction only to half of the total power:
Matteo, OCCFD is like every software, the next version will fix everything... not...
I just meant that, with the poruos model, there will be no BC that generate not completely physical effects in particolar conditions, for example negative differential caused by the imposed flow, so no car would have zero power.
I was not sarcastic: perhaps my bad english gave a different impression.

About he next race: 28th of april is the submission date or the race day?

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RicME85 wrote:IMO the intro class should be about learning how aerodynamics work.
julien.decharentenay wrote:I feel the same. My vision is for KVRC to be encompassing and inclusive, not just for the select few. Everyone has to start somewhere and practice to get better. This challenge also has to deal with the technology arm-race...
When I had the idea for the introductory class I had similar thoughts... so (in case people missed it on my own KVRC topic) I've released a version of my "bodykit" which includes all the "non-performance" parts (yellow in image below). I have also added an STP file of flat "guide panels" which can be imported into sketch-up allowing the entrant to easily extrude front and rear wings and diffuser. Once you add your wings to my bodykit (yellow) and the official KVRC parts (dark grey), you will have a complete car. I honestly think you should be able to have a reasonable car in an hour or two this way, even if you have very little to no Sketchup experience.....

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Download the parts here:-

http://www.competition-car-engineering. ... odykit.zip

(FYI: Sketchup makes a bit of a mess of the yellow bodykit part when you import it, so my suggestion is to just submit this part as it is in provided in the Zip file.)
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Well done machin, yours is an excellent "kit" for starting a KVRC team.

I have prepared a similar package: my intention is to provide a model that can be imported into a CAD software (included SketchUp...) and completed using only extrusions and rounds (this is a great help for who doesn't have any CAD skill). The model is based on the car I will use for the first KVRC race in 2016 (april 28th), with the following exceptions.

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- The diffuser: it is a simplified version, with less total df but with a more favorable balance (you can see that my car has balancing issues). I can provide a version witthout the diffuser if someone wants to design it from zero.
- Front wing/diffuser: any geometry can be obtained extruding a 2D section (my advice is to take inspiration from normalized profiles that can be found on the web, searching for "wing airfoil")
- Sidepods are completely legal (including internal template). Option 1 has been choosen.
- Depending on the sospension and footbox position that will be choosen, it will be necessary to "hide" the related template
- Sorry that this car belongs to the "full" category, it is clearly not suitable for the "intro" class
- I suppressed the rounds that run over the wheel arches so any change in sketchup will be easier

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MP004A_custom_STL:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/522 ... OM_STL.zip

MP004A_custom_STEP:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/522 ... M_STEP.zip
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I had an idea to improve the KVRC level and to help new entries: what about a "Constructor" Championship reserved to the teams that provide custom cars?

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So we have gone from shooting down my idea to flooding the competition Image

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The internal ducts on my car disappears. Is that normal thing or am i doing something wrong?
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Ft5fTL wrote:The internal ducts on my car disappears. Is that normal thing or am i doing something wrong?
Wich is your car? What do you mean with "disappear"? In the CAD pictures or in the CFD simulation?

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In the CFD. Like this :Image
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Ft5fTL wrote:The internal ducts on my car disappears. Is that normal thing or am i doing something wrong?
Have a look at your compliance check email, specifically image 1. The internal duct bodywork was missing, so your entry was submitted using the cooling-intake and cooling-exhaust parts.

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That one was without a duct. I fixed that.

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Maybe your inlet and outlet surfaces are still modeled as wall / patch in your simulation. If you want to use them to monitor the flow they have to be defined as faceZone in the snappyHexMeshDict.

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Hi LVDH, I was thinking about you ;)

Looking at the pictures of your car, I noticed that the front wing upper element has a very wide exit angle. I tried something similar but could not make it work. Am I wrong or that angle is much wider than 45°?