2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[mwillems]

43 behind Red Bull and only 77 ahead of Merc (unless this isn't the updated standings)

F1 site says RB 498, Mcl 366, Merc 266

Fo some reason it had updated the drivers but not the constructors, 42 points, if Red Bull keep Checo, and depending on how we fair at Zandvoort could be overturned after Monza!

I think RB saved their new engine for Zandvoorte and Monza. They ran it on Friday to get the penalty and then removed it. Hopefully we can slot in a newish engine at Monza!

[eurwynf1]

Sometimes it's frustrating that we don't try undercut first, our tyre deg is good nowadays so why can't we dive in and undercut.really f****d our race being stuck vehind VER

[PapayaFan481]

F1 site says RB 498, Mcl 366, Merc 266

Fo some reason it had updated the drivers but not the constructors, 42 points, if Red Bull keep Checo, and depending on how we fair at Zandvoort could be overturned after Monza!

I think RB saved their new engine for Zandvoorte and Monza. They ran it on Friday to get the penalty and then removed it. Hopefully we can slot in a newish engine at Monza!

Horner was asked about this on Sky Sports F1 and confirmed they kept the new PU in Max's car for the whole weekend.

[FittingMechanics]

Sometimes it's frustrating that we don't try undercut first, our tyre deg is good nowadays so why can't we dive in and undercut.really f****d our race being stuck vehind VER

They did say on the radio to pit to overtake, in one case car in front responded, in one case Piastri overshot his box.

[mwillems]

Fo some reason it had updated the drivers but not the constructors, 42 points, if Red Bull keep Checo, and depending on how we fair at Zandvoort could be overturned after Monza!

I think RB saved their new engine for Zandvoorte and Monza. They ran it on Friday to get the penalty and then removed it. Hopefully we can slot in a newish engine at Monza!

Horner was asked about this on Sky Sports F1 and confirmed they kept the new PU in Max's car for the whole weekend.

Ahh OK fair enough. I didn't see that he was asked.

[mwillems]

Sometimes it's frustrating that we don't try undercut first, our tyre deg is good nowadays so why can't we dive in and undercut.really f****d our race being stuck vehind VER

They did say on the radio to pit to overtake, in one case car in front responded, in one case Piastri overshot his box.

Yes but the undercut would have saved him the hassle of trying to overtake a car that was a match in speed.

[PierreW]

Sometimes it's frustrating that we don't try undercut first, our tyre deg is good nowadays so why can't we dive in and undercut.really f****d our race being stuck vehind VER

They did say on the radio to pit to overtake, in one case car in front responded, in one case Piastri overshot his box.

Yes but the undercut would have saved him the hassle of trying to overtake a car that was a match in speed.

Max was furious about getting undercutted last race twice and blasted the strategists even after the race.

Red Bull could not let it happen again so they pitted him early. I think that all teams underestimated the effect of the reduced DRS zone. It was hard to overtake with DRS.

[Seerix]

They did say on the radio to pit to overtake, in one case car in front responded, in one case Piastri overshot his box.

Yes but the undercut would have saved him the hassle of trying to overtake a car that was a match in speed.

Max was furious about getting undercutted last race twice and blasted the strategists even after the race.

Red Bull could not let it happen again so they pitted him early. I think that all teams underestimated the effect of the reduced DRS zone. It was hard to overtake with DRS.

They did not really pit Max early though.
Pit order was Lec 26 (H), Ham 27 (H), Ver 29 (M), Nor 30 (H)
All while Lando was basically 1s behind Max in undercut position. Not sure why they waited.

[FittingMechanics]

Yes but the undercut would have saved him the hassle of trying to overtake a car that was a match in speed.

Max was furious about getting undercutted last race twice and blasted the strategists even after the race.

Red Bull could not let it happen again so they pitted him early. I think that all teams underestimated the effect of the reduced DRS zone. It was hard to overtake with DRS.

They did not really pit Max early though.
Pit order was Lec 26 (H), Ham 27 (H), Ver 29 (M), Nor 30 (H)
All while Lando was basically 1s behind Max in undercut position. Not sure why they waited.

Quite strange frankly. They did have tire offset as Lando went to pits later than Verstappen but they also had hards to put on and Verstappen had to go medium. Undercutting him would work as Verstappen can't respond early due to mediums.

[bauc]

WTF is with Lando and his race starts? Come on! Another lost chance for a good results today, even though it seesm the team was not 100% sure which direction to take, and in a race like this it is understandable but still come on Lando get your act in place for lap1. Kudos to PIA for P2, if it was not for the slow pitstop, he might have been P1 today.

I think the summer brake has arrived at the right moment, I'm tired to see us loosing chances to win races so easily.

[PapayaFan481]

What's odd is that, as a previous poster pointed out, Lando's starts were much better last year, in fact both drivers regularly made up places at the starts.

I wonder if they've changed something in the clutch that has changed the feel.

To what extent would they be able to work on this during the summer break? Are they allowed to do practice starts somewhere?

[Ben1980]

I always seem to recall Lando being careful at the start. Rarely caught up in incidents. It seems though that getaway is generally fine, as it was today.

Today, just seemed that deg wasn't as high as expected and overtaking was harder than expected.

[mwillems]

I always seem to recall Lando being careful at the start. Rarely caught up in incidents. It seems though that getaway is generally fine, as it was today.

Today, just seemed that deg wasn't as high as expected and overtaking was harder than expected.

It's not just the getaway, but his racecraft over those initial 1 or 2 turns, in which more often than not, he will lose out when fighting at the front.

[mwillems]

What's odd is that, as a previous poster pointed out, Lando's starts were much better last year, in fact both drivers regularly made up places at the starts.

I wonder if they've changed something in the clutch that has changed the feel.

To what extent would they be able to work on this during the summer break? Are they allowed to do practice starts somewhere?

A few have been possibly to do with the clutch. But others are to do with his own racing and getaway, I think. He's fighting much closer though with Merc, Ferrari, Verstappen and of course Oscar. So there is a lot more to deal with at the starts. I just think he's always had a tendency to overthink thinks and sometimes overdrive. Hopefully he calms down a bit and just focusses on getting solid starts for a while, and not trying to win the race at turn 1.

[Ben1980]

I always seem to recall Lando being careful at the start. Rarely caught up in incidents. It seems though that getaway is generally fine, as it was today.

Today, just seemed that deg wasn't as high as expected and overtaking was harder than expected.

It's not just the getaway, but his racecraft over those initial 1 or 2 turns, in which more often than not, he will lose out when fighting at the front.

That's sort of ny point, he's generally careful. And maybe being in some instances isn't assertive.