Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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This year Ferrari has two wind tunnels so you are all aware, they purchased Toyotas Wind Tunnel in France (considered to be the second largest Formula 1 wind tunnel) as well as their own tunnel at Maranello.

The difference from this year to last year is that the car is now being tested in a tunnel that is correctly calobrated and the information correlated to the engineers and technicians is accurate.

Two wind tunnels, lots of components = a lot of variable testing = Championship winning car.

Lets wait for Melbourne but if Ferrari mechanics as well as engineers are smiling with Massa they must be on top of something after the endless work (rumoured they pulled a 72 hour rotation shift on new components and internals).
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Ferrari is just being smart - learning from what happened between RB and Macca last year. RB revealed too early their brilliant blown diffuser and then Macca had time to copy it and therefore became competitive because of their mistake. Waiting until the last moment to reveal the real car you'll race is now a critical strategy of winning in this new age of high def pics and trackside espionage. You can't show your junk early anymore even at the risk of it not being at 100% potential effectiveness. It's better now to hold your cards close till you simply have to reveal parts.

Makes complete sense that they have seemed to endorse this idea of being a "rolling construction project" just to keep all awareness of their potential hidden behind a chopped up car. No fear. Alonso has been clearly more and more confident in his comments about the car as time has passed, and these seem to be subtle furthering hints of what's to come. Could it be that the jacked nose design was just a ploy to not only hide what they have coming but to consider other options revealed by other teams during testing? That's just more smart strategy in the current age of F1.

The chopped up repositioned exhaust just furthers the idea they are just getting some more measurements and tightening up open aerodynamic theories that only real track time can reveal.

The reputation of the company is riding on this car. Ferrari will not disappoint this year.
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Chuckjr wrote:Ferrari is just being smart - learning from what happened between RB and Macca last year. RB revealed too early their brilliant blown diffuser and then Macca had time to copy it and therefore became competitive because of their mistake. Waiting until the last moment to reveal the real car you'll race is now a critical strategy of winning in this new age of high def pics and trackside espionage. You can't show your junk early anymore even at the risk of it not being at 100% potential effectiveness. It's better now to hold your cards close till you simply have to reveal parts.

Makes complete sense that they have seemed to endorse this idea of being a "rolling construction project" just to keep all awareness of their potential hidden behind a chopped up car. No fear. Alonso has been clearly more and more confident in his comments about the car as time has passed, and these seem to be subtle furthering hints of what's to come. Could it be that the jacked nose design was just a ploy to not only hide what they have coming but to consider other options revealed by other teams during testing? That's just more smart strategy in the current age of F1.

The chopped up repositioned exhaust just furthers the idea they are just getting some more measurements and tightening up open aerodynamic theories that only real track time can reveal.

The reputation of the company is riding on this car. Ferrari will not disappoint this year.
I would love to see this becomes reality

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Chuckjr wrote:Ferrari is just being smart [...]
The following quote came to mind when reading this post (and others like it):

"The optimist proclaims we live in the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist fears this is true." ~ James Branch Cabell

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Ferrari should not really need to move the exhausts around unless they are unsure about what their simulation, CFD, and wind tunnel suggests. Look at Redbull. Ferrari have a correlation problem right now

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There's not a team in the paddock that does not have issues they are sorting. Ferrari just turned their entire F1 philosophy on its head with this car. Actually, I would think any lesser team would be SCRAMBLING right now to come to terms with doing something like that. Ferrari showed on FIRST day with reasonably competitive times and since that day has improved every test day according to most reports and from the drivers. I don't know of a team in the game that could do what they have done over winter and be within a second of the top tier teams who simply massaged their designs. It's a testiment to their determination and skill set and I believe this will translate to a competitive car come Oz. certainly their garage and drivers would not be "all smiles" today if there was a real issue they were stuck on.
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Jack Malone wrote:
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As far as I know, Toyota´s wind tunnel is in Germany (Cologne) and they did not sold it. Ferrari and Williams used it las year, but as rental, just like nay team or car factory can do.
Toyota still owns it and used it to develop their new TS030 Le Mans car.


I stand corrected it is located in Koeln/Cologne (Germany). I believed FIAT group bought into that wind tunnel for Ferrari?

Guess i'm wrong.
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#Massasacked News from twitter is that Ferrari have sacked Felipe. Any news?

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I saw these rumors too, but i don't think it's true.

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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:I saw these rumors too, but i don't think it's true.
Would be interesting to find the source of the rumors. Would be even more interesting if they were true. Bianchi anyone? :lol: Silly season's back.

I doubt they would sack him at this point in the season.

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"Fry did admit, however, that one of the problems the team is facing is that the car tends to have a narrow performance window - where its form fluctuates dramatically as conditions change.

"We drop in and out of having a good balance or not, and that is something we are working on trying to understand still. Yesterday there were times when the car was good and times when it suddenly changed, and that is what we are trying to understand."

As far as the exhaust: Fry says they are abandoning their "aggressive" exhaust for now, and "having developed that car for that concept, we are looking to try and re-optimise everything for the week and a half we have got."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97804

So what is so "radical" about this car? As far as we know, it is the exhaust, which is now being abandoned, and the front suspension, which at this point is having questionable benefit if the balance is off and it's eating tires.

I don't think there can be any doubt that they are in serious trouble. Ferrari as much as anyone has the resources to claw their way back up, but if one of their radical approaches- which they designed the car around- is being abandoned they are almost certainly going to have a difficult beginning to the season.

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Ferrari have lost the plot.
They have a lot of catching up to do. I don't think their problem is the engineering team. There is something in the atmosphere that is suppressing creative innovation.
Anyway i am expecting a swift imitation of sauber's exhaust.

Though in truth no one knows who is where in the standings.

What is good though is that their sidepod concept, with the tails, can still be modified to give the coanda effect similar to mclaren's.
As the bridge on the floor like redbull could be obstructive.
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The headline is that Ferrari laugh at Massa sacking story ;)
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fernando alonso made statement to spanish press tonight during barcelona football match, asked about ferrari he said :“We are well, although we still have many things to improve”.

“We are now in the last days of coaches and want to see where we are.” “We have work and we must tighten the teeth and keep improving little by little,”

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radosav wrote:fernando alonso made statement to spanish press tonight during barcelona football match, asked about ferrari he said :“We are well, although we still have many things to improve”.

“We are now in the last days of coaches and want to see where we are.” “We have work and we must tighten the teeth and keep improving little by little,”
Do you have a link?

Edit: Thanks mate!! :)))
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