Red Bull RB9-Renault (pre-launch speculation)

[turbof1]

bringing every race new updates until the very last race doesn't necessarily hamper your next season. Red Bull was in the same position in 2010. They dominated the year after.

[wesley123]

agreed. Difference was that then they had large rule changes, now it is not so the case, so what they do now is useful for next year.

[raymondu999]

Oh I agree on that. What I'm disputing is Nathan's claim that other teams did comparable amounts of car development in that last stretch.

[NathanOlder]

And all i said was that Red Bull were not the only team bringing updates to the races in the last stretch. So Neweys excuse for a comprimised RB9, is no excuse as other teams were doing exactly the same. Mclaren had a berand new front wing with only 10 days of the season remaining. They were still upgrading the car till the bitter end, despite being out of the championship race. Ferrari brought new parts to Abu Dhabi that didnt work too well, 3 weeks from the final race. So Red Bulls rivals were clearly bringing upgrades to the final races. So IMO Newey has no argument saying his next car is comprimised because of upgrades late in 2012. The other top teams were doing exactly the same.

[raymondu999]

My pont is that RBR, IMO - were spending more effort in the last stretch of 2012, compared to their rivals. While others were only upgrading wings and small parts, Red Bull were bringing out new sidepods etc. The scale of the upgrades from other top teams was far smaller.

[Huntresa]

My pont is that RBR, IMO - were spending more effort in the last stretch of 2012, compared to their rivals. While others were only upgrading wings and small parts, Red Bull were bringing out new sidepods etc. The scale of the upgrades from other top teams was far smaller.

But it was also needed tho, i mean Mclaren car was pretty fast during the entire year and they only did a major upgrade which was the germany upgrade, but Red Bull had to not do 1 major but pretty much put on the stuff they got at every race.

[FrukostScones]

Early in 2012 Mr. Newey said that a front pull rod suspension is no gain and just a way to make things different, so I don't expect that they have one on the RB9.
But maybe Newey made the comment on purpose (to mislead the competition) or out of enviousness because he knew that the Ferrari front suspension could be benifitial for the aero and it didn't come to his mind.
If RB9 does not have it, we know it is a not needed and implementing one is a way to waste your ressources (or having a different aero conecpt).

[wesley123]

The pull rod has some gains, for example lower CoG, and some said the pull rod would send a different, more benificial flow into the radiator intake.

And the other, if red bull doesnt use it, it isnt good enough. It is rather annoying to constantly read that, they aren't perfection you know?

The pull rod has some gains and deficits, but if Red Bull doesnt run it doesnt means that it is a crappy design.

[raymondu999]

With him being the only guy to think of reviving rear pullrod in 2009, I highly doubt he didn't dabble with the possibility of reviving front pullrod.

[NathanOlder]

And the other, if red bull doesnt use it, it isnt good enough. It is rather annoying to constantly read that, they aren't perfection you know?

Dont worry, Since Red Bull started winning races , Newey's cars have lost more races than they have won. So They cant be that good

[Huntresa]

And the other, if red bull doesnt use it, it isnt good enough. It is rather annoying to constantly read that, they aren't perfection you know?

Dont worry, Since Red Bull started winning races , Newey's cars have lost more races than they have won. So They cant be that good

Yeah only 3.5 wins from getting 50% win/lose since 09.

[beelsebob]

And the other, if red bull doesnt use it, it isnt good enough. It is rather annoying to constantly read that, they aren't perfection you know?

Dont worry, Since Red Bull started winning races , Newey's cars have lost more races than they have won. So They cant be that good

Yeah only 3.5 wins from getting 50% win/lose since 09.

Bear in mind that McLaren are seen as semi-god like for managing a 25% hit rate in the team's existence, so near 50% hit rate is insanely high.

[Burgess]

You can't just stick a part on any F1 car and it get a benefit worthwhile, likely the case with the RB and Pullrod Fronts. Like putting a McLaren front wing on the Red Bull wouldn't improve the car, you'd mess with the entire packaging further back along the car and you'd cocking everything up.

[LionKing]

Dont worry, Since Red Bull started winning races , Newey's cars have lost more races than they have won. So They cant be that good

Yeah only 3.5 wins from getting 50% win/lose since 09.

Bear in mind that McLaren are seen as semi-god like for managing a 25% hit rate in the team's existence, so near 50% hit rate is insanely high.

Red Bull's win percentage is 23.3% (34 wins from 146 races)

McLaren's percentage is 25.2% (182 wins from 722 races)

[beelsebob]

Yeah only 3.5 wins from getting 50% win/lose since 09.

Bear in mind that McLaren are seen as semi-god like for managing a 25% hit rate in the team's existence, so near 50% hit rate is insanely high.

Red Bull's win percentage is 23.3% (34 wins from 146 races)

McLaren's percentage is 25.2% (182 wins from 722 races)

Given that Red Bull spent more than half of it's life time as a team still learning how to build a fast car, RedBull's win percentage is far more impressive here.