2016 Grand Prix of Brazil - Interlagos, 11-13 November

[iotar__]

Did you miss the press conference where Charlie clearly stated that Lewis backed off as confirmed by his telemetry? Of course one must then believe him...

It's best to completely ignore the existence of the person you are responding to, as it will be better for your sanity in the long run.

It would be better if you wrote something about F1 or go back to evil German anti Hamilton conspiracies (including team orders in Monaco) or copying and pasting other fanatics: e.i. "Rosberg accepted nr 2 status in Monaco". How is that working out for you?

[les arcs]

Why do you bother to watch F1?

Everything is a conspiracy.
Rosberg is always stitched up by Mercedes... He moved over at Monaco as he would have been done for illegal parking if he had gone any slower! Where did he finish 7th or 8th?

Your posts are beyond tiresome.

[AMG.Tzan]

Did you miss the press conference where Charlie clearly stated that Lewis backed off as confirmed by his telemetry? Of course one must then believe him...

However, you have to be pretty daft to think the stewards don't look at every incident and make some kind of informal judgement on it. Whether there is an "investigation" notice that flashes up on your TV screen or appears in some form of official document is kind of irrelevant isn't it?

Getting fairly excited about this race, given the mixed forecasts. How refreshing would it be to see an RB or Ferrari on pole? After their respective years of dominance I never thought I'd feel that way but here we are. An actual race for top step on the podium would be a treat.

Backed off meaning what? How does this nonsense pseudo excuse change anything? This backing off doesn't change the fundamentals of the event. He out-braked himself as confirmed by telemetry and everyone's eyes (advantage compared to drivers braking earlier and making the corner) and drove straight as confirmed by GPS and eyes, didn't even try making the corner (as confirmed by telemetry again ) which resulted in saving tyres and thus gaining another advantage. The part when he can't make the corner is his fault but without the price - the end.

Whiting's clarifcation is the usual mockery: we are always right. Does anyone expects them to admit to bias? They either say they are right (despite dozens examples of contradictory decisions), or it's a problem with unclear rules (no, it's you), or the best part: it's the track that is to blame. We change the track = problems will disappear.

"which resulted in saving tyres and thus gaining another advantage"....really man?? locking up like that and having huge vibrations for 17 laps that almost made him stop on the first lap...is that an advantage?? And what about Rosberg?? He also cut the corner because Verstappen touched him but he had room to return to the track...but yes he would most likely rejoin behind Verstappen so it's ok to cut it...but who cares... it's Nicola's year so whatever!

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Backed off meaning what? How does this nonsense pseudo excuse change anything? This backing off doesn't change the fundamentals of the event.

Just like Nico backed off under double waved yellows in Hungary qualifying. Simple.

[Gettingonabit]

Why do you bother to watch F1?

Everything is a conspiracy.
Rosberg is always stitched up by Mercedes... He moved over at Monaco as he would have been done for illegal parking if he had gone any slower! Where did he finish 7th or 8th?

Your posts are beyond tiresome.

Just put him on your ignore list - job done.

[PlatinumZealot]

Why do you bother to watch F1?

He doesn't. The froth is blocking his view.

[ChrisDanger]

I think many people are hoping for more of this type of thing throughout the weekend.
https://twitter.com/ForceIndiaF1/status ... 8077064192

[Fulcrum]

Okay, so will this be a Mercedes-Ferrari-Red Bull hierarchy, or Mercedes-Red Bull-Ferrari? Historical evidence suggests the former, although neither Raikkonen nor Vettel are specifically quick here.

[jonas_linder]

Okay, so will this be a Mercedes-Ferrari-Red Bull hierarchy, or Mercedes-Red Bull-Ferrari? Historical evidence suggests the former, although neither Raikkonen nor Vettel are specifically quick here.

from : https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/feat ... -prix.html

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207.972

Fastest average speed - in km/h - recorded in a Brazilian Grand Prix - by Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen in 2007.

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4

Number of fastest laps set in Brazil by Lewis Hamilton. No other current driver has managed more than 2 (Kimi Raikkonen) and only Michael Schumacher’s tally is greater (5).

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[Vladimir]

Fernando is the best scorer in Interlagos.Only final sector uphill will disadvantage his chance in Honda powered car.

[ChrisDanger]

View of T1 surface from Ericsson. (click for larger)

[iotar__]

So Whiting comes on stage, throws 'backing off' and "telemetry" and it's all good? I mean if it's telemetry you can't argue with that.

Fine, where is braking telemetry? He either braked too late to make the corner at all = kept his lead only by cutting the corner or braked early enough and went straight without trying. It was obviously former but either way gain is keeping the lead and no backing off equalises it. It's not some corner mid -race where you go back from 0,7 to 1,7 and back to 0,7 it's a start and gains are binary - lead or not.

How is keeping the lead not 'lasting advantage" to the alternative of attempting to make a corner and slowing down? Alternative that is either not possible (braked too late) or with consequences like slowing down and losing positions. How is backing off equalising keeping the lead without trying to make a corner at the start, most important part of the race? Absurd explanation aka Jedi mind gestures.

[Vasconia]

Okay, so will this be a Mercedes-Ferrari-Red Bull hierarchy, or Mercedes-Red Bull-Ferrari? Historical evidence suggests the former, although neither Raikkonen nor Vettel are specifically quick here.

If it rains I guess RB will be in front of Ferrari. In normal condiditons the Italians must be ahead. But after having read that Ferrari has problems with hot temperatures(this must be the first time I read this in recent history) perhaps they will be stronger with rain, who knows.

It will be interesting to see Alonso if it rains, he likes this track and rain should help him.

[Vasconia]

was just posted on autosport forums:

Some weather forecasts

Rodolfo Alves ‏@Rodolfoar07
#F1 #BRAZILGP WEATHER UPDATE - FRIDAY: Partly Cloudy with chance (30-40%) of Isolated T-Storms for FP2. Air Temp 27-29ºC
SATURDAY: Cloudy/Mostly Cloudy with chance of light rain/drizzle at times. Cooler. Air Temp 19-21ºC
SUNDAY: Mostly Cloudy Skies with chance (40-45%) of some Rain Showers for Race Window. Air Temp 21-23ºC

Ian Fergusson ‏@fergieweather
@mraishbrook trend lately increases chance of patchy phases of rain (this looking fairly light) at times on both Sat and Sun at Interlagos.

So no worries about SC starts. That wont happen.

sounds like a dry race to me

Dry race with some scattered shower that could bring chaos, nice.

[Jester Maroc]

So Whiting comes on stage, throws 'backing off' and "telemetry" and it's all good? I mean if it's telemetry you can't argue with that.

Fine, where is braking telemetry? He either braked too late to make the corner at all = kept his lead only by cutting the corner or braked early enough and went straight without trying. It was obviously former but either way gain is keeping the lead and no backing off equalises it. It's not some corner mid -race where you go back from 0,7 to 1,7 and back to 0,7 it's a start and gains are binary - lead or not.

How is keeping the lead not 'lasting advantage" to the alternative of attempting to make a corner and slowing down? Alternative that is either not possible (braked too late) or with consequences like slowing down and losing positions. How is backing off equalising keeping the lead without trying to make a corner at the start, most important part of the race? Absurd explanation aka Jedi mind gestures.

Why are we discussing this topic on the Brazil thread? I keep reading the same arguments worded differently over and over. Maybe its time to open a thread more relevant to this argument rather than filling the Brazil race thread?