2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Seanspeed wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 14:30
Emag wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 12:43
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 11:40


Alonso at Ferrari, the legend that never was.
I think Alonso still remains a legend, only without the stats to back it up.

A shame. Could sit here and talk about how much of his bad career paths were self-inflicted, but I still don’t think he deserved to drive the cars he got to drive from 2014 and onwards.

Aston somehow lucked into a competitive car in 2023 to give him a chance to show what he is made of, but sadly I don’t see another spike happening before age does its thing and he retires.

He came close with Ferrari though, twice. I feel like he deserved 2012, but 2010 was painful to be lost on the last race of the season too.
Alonso in 2012 was probably one of the top 10-15 best driver seasons ever. I really do not think it's an exaggeration to say the Ferrari was no more than 3rd best car that year, and probably more like 4th best overall, unless you're the type who still thinks Kimi Raikkonen was a top driver(and thus achieved all that Lotus could do), despite never proving better than Massa, and seeing how Alonso absolutely thrashed him in the same car just two years later.

If Alonso had been driving for Ferrari in 2007 and 2008, they'd have absolutely WALKED both those championships.

Anyways, I think his years at Ferrari definitely kept his reputation as a great intact. It's a shame he didn't get the full rewards for it, but that's how it goes sometimes. Just gotta hope the same doesn't happen to Leclerc.
Agree on 2007/08 (and fwiw, I think Michael would have done the same if he stayed). I also think Alonso would have at least been a lot closer - with more consistency - in 2017/18 and possibly bagged a title one of those years. I don’t think it would have fizzled out how it did.

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Interesting that Haas won’t take the new front suspension: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ha ... /10688962/

Is this the first time they haven’t taken everything they could from the new Ferrari?

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Smart. Stick with what you know in terms of front set-up. The minor percentage aero gains are not needed for them, they just need to be scoring consistent points.
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Seanspeed wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 14:30
Emag wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 12:43
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 11:40


Alonso at Ferrari, the legend that never was.
I think Alonso still remains a legend, only without the stats to back it up.

A shame. Could sit here and talk about how much of his bad career paths were self-inflicted, but I still don’t think he deserved to drive the cars he got to drive from 2014 and onwards.

Aston somehow lucked into a competitive car in 2023 to give him a chance to show what he is made of, but sadly I don’t see another spike happening before age does its thing and he retires.

He came close with Ferrari though, twice. I feel like he deserved 2012, but 2010 was painful to be lost on the last race of the season too.
Alonso in 2012 was probably one of the top 10-15 best driver seasons ever. I really do not think it's an exaggeration to say the Ferrari was no more than 3rd best car that year, and probably more like 4th best overall, unless you're the type who still thinks Kimi Raikkonen was a top driver(and thus achieved all that Lotus could do), despite never proving better than Massa, and seeing how Alonso absolutely thrashed him in the same car just two years later.

If Alonso had been driving for Ferrari in 2007 and 2008, they'd have absolutely WALKED both those championships.

Anyways, I think his years at Ferrari definitely kept his reputation as a great intact. It's a shame he didn't get the full rewards for it, but that's how it goes sometimes. Just gotta hope the same doesn't happen to Leclerc.
Alonso lost all the championships himself

2007 - Crashed in Fuji - DNF
2010 - Crashed in Spa - DNF
2012 - Crashed at Suzuka Start - DNF

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The last time that Ferrari ran pull rod in the front, it was really difficult to set up and fine tune for some reason, and took a few races for the team to work it out. Maybe Haas don't want to waste time and resources on that when they understand the current front suspension quite well?

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FW17 wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 15:50
Alonso lost all the championships himself

2007 - Crashed in Fuji - DNF
2010 - Crashed in Spa - DNF
2012 - Crashed at Suzuka Start - DNF
You could argue for 2007 and 2010, because those were sub-optimal seasons in my opinion, but implying he lost 2012 himself is nonsense.
Nitpicking out of an exceptional (probably singular) performance while ignoring the giant elephant in the room being the lack of car performance by Ferrari is ridiculous.

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FW17 wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 15:50
Seanspeed wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 14:30
Emag wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 12:43


I think Alonso still remains a legend, only without the stats to back it up.

A shame. Could sit here and talk about how much of his bad career paths were self-inflicted, but I still don’t think he deserved to drive the cars he got to drive from 2014 and onwards.

Aston somehow lucked into a competitive car in 2023 to give him a chance to show what he is made of, but sadly I don’t see another spike happening before age does its thing and he retires.

He came close with Ferrari though, twice. I feel like he deserved 2012, but 2010 was painful to be lost on the last race of the season too.
Alonso in 2012 was probably one of the top 10-15 best driver seasons ever. I really do not think it's an exaggeration to say the Ferrari was no more than 3rd best car that year, and probably more like 4th best overall, unless you're the type who still thinks Kimi Raikkonen was a top driver(and thus achieved all that Lotus could do), despite never proving better than Massa, and seeing how Alonso absolutely thrashed him in the same car just two years later.

If Alonso had been driving for Ferrari in 2007 and 2008, they'd have absolutely WALKED both those championships.

Anyways, I think his years at Ferrari definitely kept his reputation as a great intact. It's a shame he didn't get the full rewards for it, but that's how it goes sometimes. Just gotta hope the same doesn't happen to Leclerc.
Alonso lost all the championships himself

2007 - Crashed in Fuji - DNF
2010 - Crashed in Spa - DNF
2012 - Crashed at Suzuka Start - DNF
He worked miracles in 2012. Not sure how you blame him for that.

Even 2010 the odds were against him. It was the clumbsy RedBull drivers that even brought Ferrari and McLaren into play.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 18:10
FW17 wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 15:50
Seanspeed wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 14:30

Alonso in 2012 was probably one of the top 10-15 best driver seasons ever. I really do not think it's an exaggeration to say the Ferrari was no more than 3rd best car that year, and probably more like 4th best overall, unless you're the type who still thinks Kimi Raikkonen was a top driver(and thus achieved all that Lotus could do), despite never proving better than Massa, and seeing how Alonso absolutely thrashed him in the same car just two years later.

If Alonso had been driving for Ferrari in 2007 and 2008, they'd have absolutely WALKED both those championships.

Anyways, I think his years at Ferrari definitely kept his reputation as a great intact. It's a shame he didn't get the full rewards for it, but that's how it goes sometimes. Just gotta hope the same doesn't happen to Leclerc.
Alonso lost all the championships himself

2007 - Crashed in Fuji - DNF
2010 - Crashed in Spa - DNF
2012 - Crashed at Suzuka Start - DNF
He worked miracles in 2012. Not sure how you blame him for that.

Even 2010 the odds were against him. It was the clumbsy RedBull drivers that even brought Ferrari and McLaren into play.
Not denying the amazing seasons he put together in 2010 and 2012 when RBR fumbled. Just pointing out the uncharacteristic errors in 2010 and 2012 which definitely cost him the championship had everything else remained the same.

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Waz wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 16:17
The last time that Ferrari ran pull rod in the front, it was really difficult to set up and fine tune for some reason, and took a few races for the team to work it out. Maybe Haas don't want to waste time and resources on that when they understand the current front suspension quite well?
Probably reusing their 2024 chassis to save cost ahead of 2026?

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FW17 wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 18:30
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 18:10
FW17 wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 15:50


Alonso lost all the championships himself

2007 - Crashed in Fuji - DNF
2010 - Crashed in Spa - DNF
2012 - Crashed at Suzuka Start - DNF
He worked miracles in 2012. Not sure how you blame him for that.

Even 2010 the odds were against him. It was the clumbsy RedBull drivers that even brought Ferrari and McLaren into play.
Not denying the amazing seasons he put together in 2010 and 2012 when RBR fumbled. Just pointing out the uncharacteristic errors in 2010 and 2012 which definitely cost him the championship had everything else remained the same.
There was no reason he should have been in that championship fight at all. To say he 'lost it all himself' is such a wild, typical internet hot take.

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wowgr8 wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 19:24
Waz wrote:
17 Jan 2025, 16:17
The last time that Ferrari ran pull rod in the front, it was really difficult to set up and fine tune for some reason, and took a few races for the team to work it out. Maybe Haas don't want to waste time and resources on that when they understand the current front suspension quite well?
Probably reusing their 2024 chassis to save cost ahead of 2026?
They would have to use the old Ferrari gearbox and rear suspension too then. Ferrari are moving the front wheels forward and shortening the gearbox to comply with maximum wheelbase rule.

Unless Haas run a crazy short wheelbase compared to the others.

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Let's have fun on 2025 livery with this Puma spoiler!
https://eu.puma.com/it/it/pd/polo-scude ... 6_color=02#

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