Has Max been a verryyy naughty boy?

[MrT]

Those who say that the incident would not affect his capability to do his job are obviously already being disproven, as he is now asked to not even turn up it Bahrain. Not a good situation as head of the governing body when you can;t even turn up to the event your governing. The beginning of the end.

[ben_watkins]

Finally some response to the scandal from the manufacturers:
http://www.f1technical.net/news/8681

The pressure on Mosley is getting higher each day

As expected BMW and Mercedes take a very dim view of Max's sexual antics..

"The German companies labelled Mosley's behaviour "disgraceful" after he was said to have taken part in a "Nazi-style orgy in a torture dungeon".

They said they "strongly distanced" themselves from the FIA president."

Toyota also wade in with..

"Toyota Motorsport does not approve of any behaviour which could be seen to damage Formula 1's image, in particular any behaviour which could be understood to be racist or anti-Semitic.

"Senior figures within any sport or business, including motorsport, must adhere to high standards of behaviour.

"When all the facts are known, it will be for the FIA to decide whether Mr Mosley has met the moral obligations which come with the position of FIA president."


Mosely can surely not remain as FIA president!!!

[dumrick]

Mosely can now surely not remain as FIA president..

Exactly. The constructors are pulling the rug from below Mosley's feet and forcing a stand from the national federations. That's politics in it's best and I doubt there wasn't some kind of top management agreement from a large number of constructors in taking this stand, since such positions from Mercedes, BMW and Toyota alone would put them in peril in what their sporting involvements are concerned (we all know which scope of discritionarity the FIA is able to exert to those that are "non-alligned").

What this comes to show also is that the industry was really wanting Mosley out and jumped on the chance provided by this events. It wouldn't even be surprising to me to know that some of the industry sponsorized the plan to record and reveal Max's nazi fetichism. This oportunism is disgraceful and I feel that it is wrong to frame people based on their personal life and sexual choices. No way it is correct for Mercedes, BMW or Toyota to comment on this. But Max is such a SOB that hurt the sport so much that I can't resist thinking that, if this is what it takes to make him step down, so be it.

EDIT: Honda joined the bandwagon: http://www.f1technical.net/news/8685

[crbassassin]

Can't wait to see ferrari's respond :^o

[mcdenife]

Dumrick wrote:

. No way it is correct for Mercedes, BMW or Toyota to comment on this.

I think they have all shown remarkable restraint in not commenting till now. However Max forced their hand when he did not deny any of this (effectively confirming it) and then implying he has their support and intends to stay as FIA president. (for my part and for some reason, I somehow get the feeling bernie had a hand in this).

[ben_watkins]

Mosely now responds to BMW and Mercedes..

http://www.f1technical.net/news/8686

He's giving such a big dig at them both with this..

"Given the history of BMW and Mercedes Benz, particularly before and during the Second World War"

Why bring that up? Just cause his nazi mum and dad used to be driven and flown around by Merc & BMW?

Also with the Crown Prince of Bahrain saying he should stay away from Bahrain it's looking worse for him all the time!

[dumrick]

Dumrick wrote:

. No way it is correct for Mercedes, BMW or Toyota to comment on this.

I think they have all shown remarkable restraint in not commenting till now. However Max forced their hand when he did not deny any of this (effectively confirming it) and then implying he has their support and intends to stay as FIA president. (for my part and for some reason, I somehow get the feeling bernie had a hand in this).

They didn't HAVE to comment: do you think that someone HAVE to comment if it is discovered that you have a foot fetish, like to wear girl's underwear or enjoy playing with miniature soldiers? No-one has to comment other's private life, as long as it is not a crime.

Mosley adressed his letter forcing support to the national clubs which, effectively, run the FIA. Constructors have nothing to do with the federation.

Mosely now responds to BMW and Mercedes..

http://www.f1technical.net/news/8686

He's giving such a big dig at them both with this..


"Given the history of BMW and Mercedes Benz, particularly before and during the Second World War"


Why bring that up? Just cause his nazi mum and dad used to be driven and flown around by Merc & BMW?

Also with the Crown Prince of Bahrain saying he should stay away from Bahrain it's looking worse for him all the time!

Mosley is kicking back! I think I'll seat back and get some popcorns

[axle]

LOL, stepping back a second - you've got to hand it to Max, he's single-handedly trumped last years scandals, and it's only April!

No way anyone is going to out do him this year!

[mcdenife]

Dumrick wrote:

They didn't HAVE to comment: do you think that someone HAVE to comment if it is discovered that you have a foot fetish, like to wear girl's underwear or enjoy playing with miniature soldiers? No-one has to comment other's private life, as long as it is not a crime.

By that logic, if they did not HAVE to comment because its not a crime, then why did Mosley himself feel the need to comment or apologise after all he has commited no crime, eh?

Mosley adressed his letter forcing support to the national clubs which, effectively, run the FIA. Constructors have nothing to do with the federation.

an extract from his letter:

I have received a very large number of messages of sympathy and support from those within the FIA and the motor sport and motoring communities generally

[ben_watkins]

an extract from his letter:

I have received a very large number of messages of sympathy and support from those within the FIA and the motor sport and motoring communities generally

A lawyers way of saying he's got loads of letters and emails from people in the FIA saying you've gotta go Max, you were caught with you pants down [and needed a dressing after your whipping]


Paul Stodart has added his 2p worth to the BBC..

Former F1 team owner Paul Stoddart told BBC Sport on Thursday that Mosley had no choice but to resign.

"He has to go," said Stoddart, who had a series of disagreements with Mosley when he owned the Minardi team, which was bought by Red Bull in 2005.

"Anyone in public office cannot survive a scandal like this.

"Mosley is actually dragging the FIA down into the gutter and until he goes it will have no credibility.

"Part of his job is to meet with world leaders and already we have seen instances where people are refusing to meet him.

"You cannot hold a job which is an international job, a multi-million pound enterprise that deals at government level, if your own personal credibility is tarnished, as his is."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 328018.stm

[Rob W]

Mosely now responds to BMW and Mercedes..

He's giving such a big dig at them both with this..

Shaaaaaame on BMW and Merc. Pwnd by Max . Even I saw that one coming. I'm now waiting for a Swiss bank who sponsors an F1 team to make a similar comment ...

He actually sort of makes a valid point - people are a bit gun-shy over any mention of Nazis - and for very good reason. Mention it and people get edgy. The newspapers are doing it for this reason alone. Max was the son of a fascist - not him. You're not your parents and you sure as hell aren't responsible or accountable for what they do (let alone in a totally different era).

Hindsight is wonderful - If people want to drag a perfectly clean sex-scandal into the gutter by claiming it was somehow concentration camp-inspired just remember that most of Germany thought Hitler was a legend until... In-fact you could argue that most Germans alive are related to someone who was a Nazi. But does the world malign them? No. Does anyone say it out loud? No.... Why? Because social boundaries exist which you don't cross without very, very good reason. (Even then you usually don't unless you really want to piss someone off). We should offer him the same.

Calling him a Nazi because his father was a fascist is actually no more fair than calling Michael Jackson's son a child molester.

If it's not too much to ask, please be leveled in your slating/hating of Max. Slating people says as much about you as it does the person you slate. Have a laugh for sure (I know I am), but it'll be a lot more humourous if this doesn't descend into a discussion of German car-maker's willing patronage of arguably the most horrific person of the last century as if it affects their place in F1 in 2008.

I predict this will cost him his job in any case...

R

[mcdenife]

and arogantly he has not felt the need to write to the team (aka his minions) apologising for 'bringing the sport into disrepute'.
So far all the teams are keeping their heads down as none of them (with the exception of Honda) have commented.

[ben_watkins]

Calling him a Nazi because his father was a fascist is actually no more fair than calling Michael Jackson's son a child molester.

Don't think that anyone has called him a Nazi directly.. He took part in a perverted Nazi style orgy.

According to various sources, on the net, he was a fascist when he was younger and even met his wife at a Union Movement party. [The Union Movement was the far right wing party set up by his father, Sir Oswald].

It's anyone's guess if he continues to hold dear the values he was brought up with. As far as I know he has never publicly said what his father believed was/is wrong.

What we do know is that he is a married man, in the most powerful job in world motorsport and he was caught taking part in a pretty tasteless "nazi style" orgy with multiple hookers where acts similar to those that took part during the holocaust were acted out for about 5 hours!

No point in trying to defend it.. He's got to go. The sooner the better. The longer this goes on, the more column inches will be devoted to it, and the more it will tarnish the reputation of F1 and other motorsports around the world.

[Carlos]

It's about social perception, which is a moving target, changing every few years. For instance, mistresses are OK, but not concubines. You can love your pets ... but not LOVE your pets. Now if Max would have chosen a culturally accepted S&M fantasy, say Santa delivering presents; well whips are involved in motivating your team, so that fits in and he could have hired 12 sex workers, not just 5, as I remember from childhood. the sleigh is pulled by 12 reindeer.

Just thought we needed a bit of humour about now.

[donskar]

I get a great deal of enjoyment and knowledge from this forum, and the following is not meant as a personal attack on any individual.

The naivete of some of our members is astonishing.

1) Major multi-national corporations use F1 as a means of building or improving their image in the public eye.

2) Mosley's indiscretion is now public knowledge. For example, it was mentioned yesterday on a USA sports talk show broadcast nationwide - a show that gives auto racing AT MOST 5% of its time.

3) How can any of you think those same corporations would NOT want to FLEE from any association with F1 and Max? (Rightly or wrongly, in the public domain the two are inextricably linked.)

BMW, Mercedes, and Toyota have done what I predicted they would do several posts ago. They (or Renault, or major sponsors) might go a lot further before this tawdry affair reaches its conclusion.

Max must go.