Felipe Massa has dominantly claimed the Brazilian GP, but it proved not enough for the championship. In fact, Lewis Hamilton came in 5th and was extremely lucky to still pass Glock in the final corner. Timo was struggling on dry spec tires. Alonso came in second, Raikkonen third.
Only DC...hahahacaptainmorgan wrote:"Then Nakajima and I finished off our crashing love affair, and he took off my front corner." - DC
Put this guy on the BBC F1 coverage NOW!
OUCH! Was it much a "third party" decision than the FIA robbing points from Hamilton in Belgium, from Bourdais in Japan and giving them to Ferrari?! More than the FIA "forgetting" to punish Massa for his pit release in Valancia while the exact same move was punishable when it was making no difference in points in singapore?! Come on fanboy, I have just read you're watching F1 for just one year, watch it another few years and you will learn more about your favorite team, and the way they earn the points which makes them titles contenders in the last race every season...The FOZ wrote:Whether it was intentional by Glock, whether he messed up, or whether it was simply track conditions and unavoidable, the long and the short of it is, the championship was decided less on the talent of Hamilton (he WAS passed by Vettel moments earlier, after all) and was decided more by a third party in Timo Glock, either through poor conditions, ineptitude, or conspiracy. That is what fans will dislike about how the WDC was decided.
The FOZ wrote:Whether it was intentional by Glock, whether he messed up, or whether it was simply track conditions and unavoidable, the long and the short of it is, the championship was decided less on the talent of Hamilton (he WAS passed by Vettel moments earlier, after all) and was decided more by a third party in Timo Glock, either through poor conditions, ineptitude, or conspiracy. That is what fans will dislike about how the WDC was decided.
This can be tweaked by giving more points advantage to the winner. And situations may be different, if it was all for the gold metal, we won't see something like Massa's race in China, that was also great to watch.The FOZ wrote:Simple. Lewis raced terribly until the last couple laps. By no means did he drive as hard as he could have, he merely rested on his laurels, not taking risks, just trying to maintain.
The guy who went on to win the WDC essentially half-assed the better part of the race. Only when he was about to lose did he get it in gear and actually start pushing like he can.
If this were based strictly upon wins, Felipe would have won, as a result of driving a solid, consistently fast race.
So would I rather see a type of racing where the drivers are racing their very hardest, going for it all the way, every day?
Yes. And you should, too.
KIMI gifting MAssa a position was great to watch? I dont understand that in the least. The medal system could quite possibly get rid of most of this team orders BS. MAssa gifting KIMI the win in Brazil last year was equally as disgusting. IF it were a medal system the stewards would never have BS's in SPA(if they had even the slihtest bit of integrity) and HAmilton would have been driving for the win today, not for fifth. LH was driving only to bring the car home and I hate that, the medal system would do away with that crap.timbo wrote:This can be tweaked by giving more points advantage to the winner. And situations may be different, if it was all for the gold metal, we won't see something like Massa's race in China, that was also great to watch.The FOZ wrote:Simple. Lewis raced terribly until the last couple laps. By no means did he drive as hard as he could have, he merely rested on his laurels, not taking risks, just trying to maintain.
The guy who went on to win the WDC essentially half-assed the better part of the race. Only when he was about to lose did he get it in gear and actually start pushing like he can.
If this were based strictly upon wins, Felipe would have won, as a result of driving a solid, consistently fast race.
So would I rather see a type of racing where the drivers are racing their very hardest, going for it all the way, every day?
Yes. And you should, too.
Settle down, Beavis.vyselegend wrote:OUCH! Was it much a "third party" decision than the FIA robbing points from Hamilton in Belgium, from Bourdais in Japan and giving them to Ferrari?! More than the FIA "forgetting" to punish Massa for his pit release in Valancia while the exact same move was punishable when it was making no difference in points in singapore?! Come on fanboy, I have just read you're watching F1 for just one year, watch it another few years and you will learn more about your favorite team, and the way they earn the points which makes them titles contenders in the last race every season...The FOZ wrote:Whether it was intentional by Glock, whether he messed up, or whether it was simply track conditions and unavoidable, the long and the short of it is, the championship was decided less on the talent of Hamilton (he WAS passed by Vettel moments earlier, after all) and was decided more by a third party in Timo Glock, either through poor conditions, ineptitude, or conspiracy. That is what fans will dislike about how the WDC was decided.
Have you ever been asked by your boss to do something you don't like? Keep in mind, Kimi and Felipe don't own the cars or the team, nor put up the hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to keep the team going. At the end of the day, their duty is to the team, not themselves.ISLAMATRON wrote:KIMI gifting MAssa a position was great to watch? I dont understand that in the least. The medal system could quite possibly get rid of most of this team orders BS. MAssa gifting KIMI the win in Brazil last year was equally as disgusting.
In what way? Look at last year, Massa would still need to give position to Kimi. Likewise if in China Kimi and Massa were 1st and 2nd, don't you think Kimi would give up his position? The only ultinate way to have no team play is to have a single driver per team, plain and simple.ISLAMATRON wrote:KIMI gifting MAssa a position was great to watch? I dont understand that in the least. The medal system could quite possibly get rid of most of this team orders BS. MAssa gifting KIMI the win in Brazil last year was equally as disgusting.
I am my own boss! I understand they do as the team tells them, as they should... but there should be no inceive for team orders... make them irrelavent. And the MEdal system(or something like it 1000 points for a win) would do away with it. And if the stakes for winning were so much higher, maybe guy like you wouldnt be so happy at accepting team orders, as ok.The FOZ wrote:Have you ever been asked by your boss to do something you don't like? Keep in mind, Kimi and Felipe don't own the cars or the team, nor put up the hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to keep the team going. At the end of the day, their duty is to the team, not themselves.ISLAMATRON wrote:KIMI gifting MAssa a position was great to watch? I dont understand that in the least. The medal system could quite possibly get rid of most of this team orders BS. MAssa gifting KIMI the win in Brazil last year was equally as disgusting.
You must have a very bitter taste in your mouth. It was a great race a fantastic end to the season. Both McLarens had a low downforce setup and would struggle in the wet compared to their rivals. The rain makes for exciting races with unexpected outcomes, do drivers come in this lap or the next or stay out on dry tyres. There was no conspiracy, it was just raining, and getting harder, once the tyre temp drops below a certain level you get a massive performance fall off from them. Glock gambled on staying out and pinching a couple of places, he was half a lap from that bet paying off.The FOZ wrote:Whether it was intentional by Glock, whether he messed up, or whether it was simply track conditions and unavoidable, the long and the short of it is, the championship was decided less on the talent of Hamilton (he WAS passed by Vettel moments earlier, after all) and was decided more by a third party in Timo Glock, either through poor conditions, ineptitude, or conspiracy. That is what fans will dislike about how the WDC was decided.
