2014 Design

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eyalynf1
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"My question is how well do polymers transmit heat? After all, we are talking heat exchangers, and it would be pointless to use a material with poorer heat trasmission properties than what is done now.

In any case, it is now possible to 3d print metal. I don't think there are machines that can do the size required, though.

The advantage would not be in better heat transfer, but it optimising the weight (ie reducing it) for the cooling capacity."

"Polymers have bad heat exchange. Thats why they are often used as insutaion."

Polymer heat exchangers have been in use for quite some time. While it is true that many types of polymer can be good insulators, the U-value of polymers generally change changes as they get thinner, making them good conductors and quite suitable for use as heat exchangers. In particular, the heat exchange surface area can be increased relative to metals due to ease of forming and use of 3D printing. I think they will be a natural recourse to achieve optimized packaging. http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcont ... text=iracc

"Heat exhangers for F1 has been done in 3D printing. But I think that was an oilcooler. Don't know if radiator size are avalible yet. But I cant see a problem in going bigger. You just need a larger "tank" of sintered metal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApmGFDA6ow"

I think that the weight advantages alone would recommend polymers over sintered metal (aluminum). High density, cross-linked polyethylene (PEX) is 66% less dense than aluminum, and is commonly used in polymer heat exchangers.

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ringo
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For Sure!!

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Hello my first post
I did a redesign of the Williams FW26. Would be within the regulation for 2014?
Thanks!
obs: illustration
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eyalynf1
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idfx wrote:Hello my first post
I did a redesign of the Williams FW26. Would be within the regulation for 2014?
Thanks!
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ysQV ... 14-02c.jpg
I think that you may only have a single vertical section taken parallel to the center line forward of the front wheel centerline. This illustration has two: The large nose and then the 'tusk' bridge.

Nice 'shop though!

eyalynf1
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Oh Yeah! I find foamed metal to be quite sexy...

However a potential problem is that the foam would tend to act as a filter for the air flowing through it. It could "load" up just like the filter in your car or home air conditioner. On a dusty track, they could clog which would rapidly degrade the heat exchange performance.

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idfx
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eyalynf1 wrote:
idfx wrote:Hello my first post
I did a redesign of the Williams FW26. Would be within the regulation for 2014?
Thanks!
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ysQV ... 14-02c.jpg
I think that you may only have a single vertical section taken parallel to the center line forward of the front wheel centerline. This illustration has two: The large nose and then the 'tusk' bridge.

Nice 'shop though!
Thanks. I will make new design with these new details.
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djos wrote:
eyalynf1 wrote:
ringo wrote:I feel it's possible to see a top mount intercooler right above the engine with cooling air coming through the roll hoop.
With the addition of the turbos relatively high in on the chassis, I think that teams will be looking to minimize center of gravity penalty, and maybe not placing an fluid filled heat exchanger this high. Or were you thinking of an air-to-air unit? Either way, I would try to find some place lower.
I suggested tiny TEC powered Intercoolers with heat-pipes back to the main radiator over here:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 55#p468855

I wonder if that would provide any packaging and/or CoG advantages?
Heat pipes are itneresting, because of their ridiculously high heat transfer rate, but they are also very heavy since they are made of copper. Maybe aluminum heat pipes might work still.
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idfx wrote:Hello my first post
I did a redesign of the Williams FW26. Would be within the regulation for 2014?
Thanks!
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ysQV ... 14-02c.jpg
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henra
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idfx wrote:Hello my first post
I did a redesign of the Williams FW26. Would be within the regulation for 2014?
No it wouldn't.
The 9000 mm^2 need to be in one single section at the center.
That's why many Teams probably will go for the 'inverted Walrus', or B-Type Nose.
See @Blanchimont's & @Scarbs' drawings.

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djos
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n smikle wrote:
Heat pipes are itneresting, because of their ridiculously high heat transfer rate, but they are also very heavy since they are made of copper. Maybe aluminum heat pipes might work still.
Very true, having that weight along the floor could possibly be good for CoG?

/arm chair engineer
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ringo
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theWPTformula wrote:
SectorOne wrote:It´s like the FIA wants ugly noses these days.
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Are these types of sidepods good in terms of not creating lift?
Very clear distinction between vertical and horizontal which is different from what we see today where it all blends in and slopes downwards causing lift(?)

http://www.supercarfrance.com/RM-Auctio ... _641-2.JPG
Flat surfaces tend to create lift but not to the level of downward sloping surfaces.
On the contrary. There is more to it.
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idfx
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I did two images, using grids, have to redraw, ones outside rules. Ajust.
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GYts ... -2014a.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ewOR ... 14-02a.jpg
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piast9
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Looks awesome. Nice job. Too bad that as far as I know it's outside the rules. Which is bad for the rules. What is that hole for? Looks like starter crank hole :)

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FW17
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Is a gurney flap allowed on a suspension wishbone? Will there be any use on the top rear wishbone?

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WilliamsF1 wrote:Is a gurney flap allowed on a suspension wishbone? Will there be any use on the top rear wishbone?
I don't think so. Suspension members have to be symmetrical about the long axis of the section.