Ferrari F14T

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Chuckjr
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Can someone please explain or point me to a forum/article which answers this:

Why is the Ferrari front suspension system at such a strong angle as compared to the Macca's front suspension system which is darn near bone flat horizontal straight across from the tire.

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Mr.G
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Different philosophy of front suspension and overall aerodynamic...
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How is it advantageous and what are it's weaknesses?
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i could be wrong, but maybe it has more to do with the height of the chassis near the front suspension. Here you can see Ferrari's nose (where the suspension is mounted) is higher than McLaren's:

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It may also have something to do with the fact that F14T uses a pull rod front suspension, while the Mclaren a push rod. In the end, it's mostly about aerodynamic gain.

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Wow. Picture and everything. Thank you for your help. Really appreciate it.
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I didn't make it, just happened to come across it earlier in the thread.

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F14T is no longer a stranger, says Allison - http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/02/24/ferr ... ys-allison

My take on it in the comments at Adam Cooper's site.

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according to autosprint ferrari will be in sakhir for a filming day session today. Driver is unknown, but will be marc gene or alonso
https://twitter.com/marc_gene/status/438222627535343616

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:F14T is no longer a stranger, says Allison - http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/02/24/ferr ... ys-allison

My take on it in the comments at Adam Cooper's site.
Not sure I totally agree with the comment - with all respect, of course.

Seems to me that Ferrari, much as they did in late 90's, have put reliability first, with the understanding that the car first on the grid in Melbourne might just as easily break down and then it's all for nought. I remember 1999 (I think it was) - McLaren had the faster car but broke down in Australia and Ferrari scored a 1-2.

So I think Ferrari's approach was to use a very vanilla car in the first two tests and they have been working on understanding a baseline car that will make it the full race distance. They've obviously not been able to fully test that (most likely the 'other thing' Raikkonen mentioned not being able to do because of the telematry issues was the race distance) so they are undoubtedly behind the Merc in that regard, but I very much doubt they ever had any intention of running a quali sim regardless of issues - it just wasn't part of their programme.

They've also, seemingly, taken the decision that there's more value to be had in running the filming day now; rather than a shakedown that other teams used the day for, for Ferrari this day could be used to get a preliminary look at some of the new aero parts, now that they're confident the car will run reasonably smoothly all day.

So I'd suggest their typically cautious methodology is not without merit in this instance; I would still be surprised if they put it on pole in Australia - mainly because it's been so long since they did that on pure, dry performance - but I don't think we've been shown anything on which to base their low fuel pace so far, so we really have no informed idea.

Also, on that (trying to bring this long post to a close), I noted from the BBC site that Alonso's fastest lap was set on used softs. That and the several times Ferrari drivers set good sectors only to pit or back off, gives me the impression that there is something conscious to them not showing their pace (which is not necessarily to say they are competitive, just that they seem to not want to show where they are yet).

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f1316 wrote:...
You may be right, sure, seems like the truth may be in the middle, that's why I resorted to the usual driver excuse for Sunday: let's see :)

Controversial information appears at ESPN for that James Allison interview - http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport ... 46605.html
He says that the main upgrade is still to come, while nothing like this is mentioned in the other interviews, let's say, on the official Ferrari site. Emailing their press office to reconfirm.

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:
f1316 wrote:...
You may be right, sure, seems like the truth may be in the middle, that's why I resorted to the usual driver excuse for Sunday: let's see :)

Controversial information appears at ESPN for that James Allison interview - http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport ... 46605.html
He says that the main upgrade is still to come, while nothing like this is mentioned in the other interviews, let's say, on the official Ferrari site. Emailing their press office to reconfirm.
You actually get answer from them :o ?

I think it was important for Ferrari to have an idea about heat build up and such. Now they can focus on shrinking the bodywork more without risking overheating. Looking at just extra bits and pieces on front wing, rear wing, sidepod vanes and all kinds of diffuser magic, reliability isn't a factor there. They could interchange those without worrying how that'll affect the sturdiness of the car.

It seems pretty logical to me that not only the ferrari works team, but most ferrari and mercedes teams bring out the actual aero packages for the final test. This will be last time for a while they can test that in real life with time at their hands.
#AeroFrodo

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At the end of the video, isn't the down shift now more noticeable? Not so smooth like before. Or?
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F14T rims (with silicon) to heat the tyres, like 2013
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