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[Shrieker]

Sooo... Seems like they raised the car and sacrificed performance a bit, to alleviate the bouncing ? Otherwise they may not be able to finish the race.

Maybe they'll be at the sharp end when (if) the bouncing issue is solved.

[silver]

So the PU is down on power, chassis is not in a happy place and just now Toto admitted, they are carrying a lot of drag. It seems like they have gone the route of 2019, "downforce at all cost" and have ended up in a vicious situation and they started work on this car concept in 2020.

[Hammerfist]

0.7sec is a large gap to find. The race pace difference will probably be 1 sec to Max's Redbull. Not looking good for Merc this year .

[shamyakovic]

Looking at the top speeds and the fact that all the Mercedes powered customer cars are out of Q3, it's evident.

I didn't see any issues with top speed.. they lost all their time in sector 2..and they are on par with Ferrari in s1 and s3

Did you watch the F1 live timing?

Yes. I can post a screeshot

[shamyakovic]

So the PU is down on power, chassis is not in a happy place and just now Toto admitted, they are carrying a lot of drag. It seems like they have gone the route of 2019, "downforce at all cost" and have ended up in a vicious situation and they started work on this car concept in 2020.

I don't know from where u r getting this.

[shamyakovic]

0.7sec is a large gap to find. The race pace difference will probably be 1 sec to Max's Redbull. Not looking good for Merc this year .

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

[Vanja #66]

So the PU is down on power, chassis is not in a happy place and just now Toto admitted, they are carrying a lot of drag. It seems like they have gone the route of 2019, "downforce at all cost" and have ended up in a vicious situation and they started work on this car concept in 2020.

He did? Really?

[lh13]

So the PU is down on power, chassis is not in a happy place and just now Toto admitted, they are carrying a lot of drag. It seems like they have gone the route of 2019, "downforce at all cost" and have ended up in a vicious situation and they started work on this car concept in 2020.

I don't know from where u r getting this.

Nothing official, but it is strange to see only the works Mercedes in top 10. Ferrari seem to have the best PU for now.

[KiLLu12258]

most likely they couldnt use their best setup because they had to fix the problems. 0,5sec is a lot, but with that in mind it could be really close if they really can focus on setup itself, if they fix the problems with developments.

[shamyakovic]

So the PU is down on power, chassis is not in a happy place and just now Toto admitted, they are carrying a lot of drag. It seems like they have gone the route of 2019, "downforce at all cost" and have ended up in a vicious situation and they started work on this car concept in 2020.

I don't know from where u r getting this.

Nothing official, but it is strange to see only the works Mercedes in top 10. Ferrari seem to have the best PU for now.

Mclaren and williams were in similar positions over the last 8 yeats, even when Mercedes had by far the best engine. That doesn't prove anything

[Watto]

Wazari mentioned in the Honda thread rumors one of the engine manufactures was struggling with the transition to the E10 fuel. I assumed Renault/Alpine but wonder if it may have been Mercedes?

Looking at the top speeds and the fact that all the Mercedes powered customer cars are out of Q3, it's evident.

I didn't see any issues with top speed.. they lost all their time in sector 2..and they are on par with Ferrari in s1 and s3

I think its more than just the Mercedes team struggles even the other Merc engined cars are off the pace a little. Maybe they aren't just curious. Outside the factory team Norris is the next best in 13th.

[Hammerfist]

0.7sec is a large gap to find. The race pace difference will probably be 1 sec to Max's Redbull. Not looking good for Merc this year .

They were 3 tenths slower than their q2 time, so its probably 3 to 3.5 tenths. they went out with old tyres and that would have messed up their further runs.

Ah good point, I didn't notice that they went slower in Q3. But all weekend they've been far off, and when it came to decision time, they looked far off again. Also, I'm pretty sure Max should have been on pole. He has the fastest car, so the gap is even bigger. Merc right now is an upper midfield car. I expect the Redbull and Ferraris to disappear in the distance tomorrow.

[shamyakovic]

Looking at the top speeds and the fact that all the Mercedes powered customer cars are out of Q3, it's evident.

I didn't see any issues with top speed.. they lost all their time in sector 2..and they are on par with Ferrari in s1 and s3

I think its more than just the Mercedes team struggles even the other Merc engined cars are off the pace a little. Maybe they aren't just curious. Outside the factory team Norris is the next best in 13th.

That proves nothing really.

[lh13]

I didn't see any issues with top speed.. they lost all their time in sector 2..and they are on par with Ferrari in s1 and s3

I think its more than just the Mercedes team struggles even the other Merc engined cars are off the pace a little. Maybe they aren't just curious. Outside the factory team Norris is the next best in 13th.

That proves nothing really.

It doesn't prove anything thing, but it is also not possible that McLaren, Aston and Williams forgot how to make a car capable of Q3 while Haas and Alfa suddenly learnt how to do that exactly.

[Marty_Y]

'It has been a bit of a nightmare to drive'
Seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton, who starts down in fifth, speaking to Sky Sports F1, says: "I'm not saying I'm relieved, in general I'm really happy with the day compared to where we've been in the last two weeks.

"It has been a bit of a nightmare to drive, but we kept working and I'm proud of everyone.

"The guys ahead of us are in another league. In general I'm happy where we are, it's not the front row but we will make improvements as well as we can.

"These guys (Red Bull and Ferrari) will be going ahead, we are not in the fight with them, my battle is with the guys behind us. Their performance was quite a bit ahead of us."