2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

[Restomaniac]

Yea I agree LM10

I just find it crazy how now in F1 you can get alongside someone dead level and simply push them off the track.

The cleaner drivers will suffer badly now.

True and the likes of Hamilton who can be clean but deep down prefers to scrap will be rubbing his hands.

[Juzh]

40 minutes of verstappen's onboards with telemetry:

part 1/4 verstappen austria race onboard first stint - overtakes gasly, norris, raikkonen
https://streamable.com/kr2je


part 2/4 verstappen austria race onboard second stint - vettel overtake & bottas chase
https://streamable.com/8imqy


part 3/4 verstappen austria race onboard second stint - bottas overtake & leclerc chase
https://streamable.com/ik5a9


part 4/4 verstappen austria race onboard second stint - leclerc chase & overtake
https://streamable.com/9aovu

[Andres125sx]

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If Lec had tried harder to avoid a contact, Max would've pushed him out of the road mere meters later. If you keep on watching it's clear he leaves no space for another car whatsoever on the outside. As things stand, he just barged into him and threw him out.
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That's where I disagree with many about leaving space. If you are on the racing line, why do you have to concede the space and compromise your drive? It is different from a dive bomb where there is no hope to get back on the racing line but to bump the other driver.

Basically because the right you´re defending for one driver to stick in the racing line, also exist for the other driver, so if both stick on the racing line, an accident will occur at any overtaking attempt, except those 100% completed on a straight. That´s the reason when two cars are parallel, both have to leave some space.

Let see it this way, when two cars are parallel, track instantly get narrower for both, as neither of them can use last 2m of track at their opposite side. Otherwise it would be too easy and dangerous to stop any overtaking, just keep driving from edge to edge of the track, anyone trying to get into the racing line will be forced to go out of track, or will crash

[Just_a_fan]

My issue is with him then turning in to Leclerc to hit him. If you watch the video from Max's car you can clearly see him turn in to Leclerc even as Max barely had two wheels on the track. That was pointless, unnecessary and dangerous, and it was typical Max.

Er, which video did you watch? Max keeps right hand lock applied through the whole corner. The lock is unwound a bit as he passes the notional apex, as is normal when taking a corner, but at no point does he "turn in to Leclerc".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4 at 47 seconds, Max is already on the straight and turns left into Leclerc.

He has right hand lock on the entire time. At no point does he turn left.

[dans79]

Rules are too complicated, nobody seems to know them and they don't always get enforced.

Make it simple, they both have to leave space.

Enforce it

Say goodbye to anything but DRS passes on the straight then!

You are absolutely and totally wrong.

What is happening now is killing racing.

I love what's happening now, and will fight very vigorously to prevent anyone from changing it!

[rogazilla]

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Basically because the right you´re defending for one driver to stick in the racing line, also exist for the other driver, so if both stick on the racing line, an accident will occur at any overtaking attempt, except those 100% completed on a straight. That´s the reason when two cars are parallel, both have to leave some space.

Let see it this way, when two cars are parallel, track instantly get narrower for both, as neither of them can use last 2m of track at their opposite side. Otherwise it would be too easy and dangerous to stop any overtaking, just keep driving from edge to edge of the track, anyone trying to get into the racing line will be forced to go out of track, or will crash

I agree with this. My stance is that this is a racing incident but of course, my take after watching the video side by side a few time. The screenshot posted above is a good example, the track is uphill and fall hard to the right. The trajectory of both cars, as you can see, Lec is out of position already. For him to force his way back onto the track, he has to force Max off the line. If Lec doesn't keep turning in towards Max, he runs out of track. Max could continue to turn the wheel hard right to leave space but he's already exiting the corner and that would compromise his acceleration down the straight. Lec could back off (instead of keep going off the trajectory off the track) and cut to the right of Max by taking the highline as he picked originally with DRS to fight Max right away on the straight. Hence I take this as a racing incident.

[NathanOlder]

Er, which video did you watch? Max keeps right hand lock applied through the whole corner. The lock is unwound a bit as he passes the notional apex, as is normal when taking a corner, but at no point does he "turn in to Leclerc".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4 at 47 seconds, Max is already on the straight and turns left into Leclerc.

He has right hand lock on the entire time. At no point does he turn left.

He doesn't mean he turns left. He means he let's the car go left by unwinding the lock unnecessarily.

[dans79]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4 at 47 seconds, Max is already on the straight and turns left into Leclerc.

He has right hand lock on the entire time. At no point does he turn left.

He doesn't mean he turns left. He means he let's the car go left by unwinding the lock unnecessarily.

As every driver has to do eventually or else they will just go in a circle.

[NathanOlder]

He has right hand lock on the entire time. At no point does he turn left.

He doesn't mean he turns left. He means he let's the car go left by unwinding the lock unnecessarily.

As every driver has to do eventually or else they will just go in a circle.

Going round in circles is exactly what they do isn't it

[dans79]

He doesn't mean he turns left. He means he let's the car go left by unwinding the lock unnecessarily.

As every driver has to do eventually or else they will just go in a circle.

Going round in circles is exactly what they do isn't it

Well yeah but they're really really big ones, the racing would be really boring if they were like 30m in diameter!

[rogazilla]

As every driver has to do eventually or else they will just go in a circle.

Going round in circles is exactly what they do isn't it

Well yeah but they're really really big ones, the racing would be really boring if they were like 30m in diameter!

With Full lock coming out of corner and start to apply power, I think that circle will be more like 3m.

[TAG]

We've seen lots of times Max make desperate attempts to overtake. This time it was Leclerc making a desperate attempt to defend a position he knew was lost.

[dans79]

We've seen lots of times Max make desperate attempts to overtake. This time it was Leclerc making a desperate attempt to defend a position he knew was lost.

Yep, Honestly his defense would have been better if he had braked early, and tried to come back up the inside.

[NathanOlder]

We've seen lots of times Max make desperate attempts to overtake. This time it was Leclerc making a desperate attempt to defend a position he knew was lost.

The fact that very move worked 67 or so seconds earlier proves you wrong.

[NathanOlder]

We've seen lots of times Max make desperate attempts to overtake. This time it was Leclerc making a desperate attempt to defend a position he knew was lost.

Yep, Honestly his defense would have been better if he had braked early, and tried to come back up the inside.

In hindsight yes, but he had no idea Max was going to force him off the track.