Mclaren Mercedes 2014

[akshat21]

Would PP be allowed to "work" at Honda (advising on layout etc), or is part of gardening leave no involvement in F1 team at all ??

Post joining McLaren. He can work with wherever McLaren see fit.

Before that. No

[raymondu999]

I wonder though. McLaren hasnt exactly been at the pinnacle of aero development for a while, as seen with 2 lackluster (considering it's McLaren) years, and they're even slower than Williams/FI so far this year. How o we all see Prodromou an Honda shaking up the competitiveness in the near future?

[Thunder]

I don't think it's just Prodromou as McLaren has several new Guys in the Aero department this Year but my guess is everyone is praising him because he knows all the dirty little Secrets of the RedBull Cars. That definetly should help.

[mclaren111]

Read the following on thejudge13:

"Peter will begin officially working for McLaren in September, though it would be inconceivable had he not already had a few “chats” about ideas and concepts for the 2015 McLaren challenger"

This looks promising

[stefan_]

You can't just isolate someone until his contract starts or is allowed to work with a team. At least not in these days. So you can safely bet that he's already involved.

[mclaren_mircea]

Ron wants Jenson to improve his performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f6a7Ih ... e=youtu.be

[aterren]

Ron wants Jenson to improve his performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f6a7Ih ... e=youtu.be

Ron is consistent in that he wants *everyone* to improve their performance.

[mclaren_mircea]

Not good news for Mclaren. According to James Allen's sources in the engineering circles of F1, Honda is a little behind their schedule with the V6 turbo hybrid engine.
"Next season comes the return of Honda, which will introduce a new element to the mix at McLaren. The word in F1 engineering circles is that the Japanese giant is a little behind in its preparations with the V6 turbo hybrid engine, the ERS for which is being done by McLaren themselves." - source http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/06/t ... on-button/

[KingHamilton01]

Wonder if McLaren will give jenson A pink theme on his car as well as his helmet?

[Thunder]

Wonder if McLaren will give jenson A pink theme on his car as well as his helmet?

Jenson confirmed on Twitter that his Helmet will be mostly Pink.

[mikeerfol]

Not good news for Mclaren. According to James Allen's sources in the engineering circles of F1, Honda is a little behind their schedule with the V6 turbo hybrid engine.
"Next season comes the return of Honda, which will introduce a new element to the mix at McLaren. The word in F1 engineering circles is that the Japanese giant is a little behind in its preparations with the V6 turbo hybrid engine, the ERS for which is being done by McLaren themselves." - source http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/06/t ... on-button/

McLaren making their own ERS?

[mclaren_mircea]

Not good news for Mclaren. According to James Allen's sources in the engineering circles of F1, Honda is a little behind their schedule with the V6 turbo hybrid engine.
"Next season comes the return of Honda, which will introduce a new element to the mix at McLaren. The word in F1 engineering circles is that the Japanese giant is a little behind in its preparations with the V6 turbo hybrid engine, the ERS for which is being done by McLaren themselves." - source http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/06/t ... on-button/

McLaren making their own ERS?

Yes, that is what James Allen says. Don't know what to think

[akshat21]

Personally, I don't think that Honda would be too much behind their schedule. Maybe they saw some things on the Merc Engine which they would want to incorporate into their own and that pushed the schedule back by a bit. Except for that, I don't think they would be behind. Remember they have been building 2.2l turbo and bi-turbo V6 engines for IRL and Le Mans. And while I agree that F1 is a totally different animal, Honda does have the know how and the technical resources in place to create a good engine.

[mclaren_mircea]

Personally, I don't think that Honda would be too much behind their schedule. Maybe they saw some things on the Merc Engine which they would want to incorporate into their own and that pushed the schedule back by a bit. Except for that, I don't think they would be behind. Remember they have been building 2.2l turbo and bi-turbo V6 engines for IRL and Le Mans. And while I agree that F1 is a totally different animal, Honda does have the know how and the technical resources in place to create a good engine.

Other readers said on James Allen's page that is too late in the design of the engine to incorporate what Mercedes did with their engine. Only small tweaks with the cooling, electronics and something like that, but it's too late to change the structure and how is separated the turbo in the Mercedes engine. In mid november 2013 the engine was fully operational . It's too late

[akshat21]

Personally, I don't think that Honda would be too much behind their schedule. Maybe they saw some things on the Merc Engine which they would want to incorporate into their own and that pushed the schedule back by a bit. Except for that, I don't think they would be behind. Remember they have been building 2.2l turbo and bi-turbo V6 engines for IRL and Le Mans. And while I agree that F1 is a totally different animal, Honda does have the know how and the technical resources in place to create a good engine.

Other readers said on James Allen's page that is too late in the design of the engine to incorporate what Mercedes did with their engine. Only small tweaks with the cooling, electronics and something like that, but it's too late to change the structure and how is separated the turbo in the Mercedes engine. In mid november 2013 the engine was fully operational . It's too late

Engine was operational in mid 2013. But remember, Honda has been studying the merc engine since January at the latest. If there were tweaks to be made to the design, they would have been made. Whether that pushed their deadlines ahead or if they missed deadlines is another story.

Honda will want to pull out all the stops with this engine. They already know that they will be competing with V2 engines from Ferrari, Merc and Renault. If that means that they need to miss a few deadlines to re-design or re-engineer components for better efficiency/more power etc. I don't think that would be such a big deal.

There is an article on Racecar Engineering about the still born RA109 and how far ahead they were at the time with ERS. Its got nothing to do with the Engine which we will see in 2015, but it does give an insight in the kind of culture that Honda fosters for their High Performance Division and how far ahead they were on the learning curve before they pulled out. (http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... id-f1-car/)

Also, one has to keep in mind that Honda does not have to keep to RRA and engine homologation agreement as of now. They can run their Dynos and their CFD night and day if they want to. They can even use a fully assembled test mule for all we know.

I don't know if they missed deadlines or if they are behind the curve as of now (we are all speculating), but I do know that Honda knows what it should be doing to bring a winning package.