2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

[nevill3]

This stuff is funny. Ocon +5 + 10 +5 + 10

Pretty sure I count Albon 9x as well.
I think they missed a 5 sec penalty there....

I think he served a penalty during the race at a pitstop??

[ValeVida46]

Yeah Norris was out numerous times. Yet "officially" he only got 2 track limits warnings.

I'd certainly be protesting this new classification if I was affected.

He also went off at turn 3, unsure if this has been counted but was mentioned by Davidson.

[Oleo]

This stuff is funny. Ocon +5 + 10 +5 + 10

Pretty sure I count Albon 9x as well.
I think they missed a 5 sec penalty there....

I think he served a penalty during the race at a pitstop??

So should be +5 (served at pitstop) +10 +5 (for 9th), right?

[organic]

Yeah Norris was out numerous times. Yet "officially" he only got 2 track limits warnings.

I'd certainly be protesting this new classification if I was affected.

He also went off at turn 3, unsure if this has been counted but was mentioned by Davidson.

Yes he was off at T3 all four wheels. Was close to going off there a couple of other times.

[AR3-GP]

Yeah Norris was out numerous times. Yet "officially" he only got 2 track limits warnings.

I'd certainly be protesting this new classification if I was affected.

He also went off at turn 3, unsure if this has been counted but was mentioned by Davidson.

Yes he was off at T3 all four wheels. Was close to going off there a couple of other times.

Isn't it assumed that you did not gain an advantage from T3 since the sausage curb slows you down?

[nevill3]

The document specifically refers to turns 9 and 10 only not turn three

[ValeVida46]

He also went off at turn 3, unsure if this has been counted but was mentioned by Davidson.

Yes he was off at T3 all four wheels. Was close to going off there a couple of other times.

Isn't it assumed that you did not gain an advantage from T3 since the sausage curb slows you down?

Davidson mentioned there was precedent from last year that would mean T3 incident would count as a track limit transgression.

[Stig14]

Question: would the FIA have amended the results if AM didn't protest? It's worrying that these kind of inaccuracies could have easily gone unnoticed unless a team holds them to account rather than the FIA amending the results of their own accord...

[Oleo]

Isnt turn 3 because of driver error or lockup and thus a justifiable reason, so doesnt count?

[organic]

Yes he was off at T3 all four wheels. Was close to going off there a couple of other times.

Isn't it assumed that you did not gain an advantage from T3 since the sausage curb slows you down?

Davidson mentioned there was precedent from last year that would mean T3 incident would count as a track limit transgression.

Ah yes the FIA, stewards and their reliable precedent

[dans79]

Question: would the FIA have amended the results if AM didn't protest? It's worrying that these kind of inaccuracies could have easily gone unnoticed unless a team holds them to account rather than the FIA amending the results of their own accord...

I'd bet my next paycheck the fia would have just swept it under the rug if AM didn't protest.

[AR3-GP]

Question: would the FIA have amended the results if AM didn't protest? It's worrying that these kind of inaccuracies could have easily gone unnoticed unless a team holds them to account rather than the FIA amending the results of their own accord...

FIA still have not penalized George Russell for crossing the pitlane white line yesterday:

I like George, but aren't you supposed to stay to the right of the pit entry line when entering said pits? It might have changed but I remember Yuki being penalised for straying wide twice at this same circuit.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This was from the lap he entered the pits for softs in the sprint.
https://i.imgur.com/RYGcniw.png

You are not wrong. Here are the event notes for this weekend:






It would be difficult to argue that this qualifies for force majeure considering that the DRS had been enabled and the circuit was almost dry at this point. He also didn't have any mechanical issue that might have qualified for an abrupt pitlane visit.

[ValeVida46]

Isn't it assumed that you did not gain an advantage from T3 since the sausage curb slows you down?

Davidson mentioned there was precedent from last year that would mean T3 incident would count as a track limit transgression.

Ah yes the FIA, stewards and they're reliable precedent

Yup, it's a proper mess

[vorticism]

The cost cap. Red flags, Safety Cars, VSCs...

I don't think there's a good solution to this.

How about a penalty system for bodywork like the PU tokens.

Yes, I've been arguing from the position of safety and sporting regs, not repair costs.

The grass and tire barriers serving their purpose. What's the issue?

just because the driver didn't end up in the er or morgue doesn't mean everything is hunky dory.

That's true; and those are examples of grass leading to shunts, for sure. But that's also the point. Grass may cause a shunt, ideally not a bad one. That's where the asphalt instead of gravel/sand/more grass/uneven terrain comes in. Since the that's what seems to be causing the severe instances, not the grass per se.

So, Suzuka but optimized, you might say.

[Big Tea]

TBH, I think if FIA keep up the zero tolerance, it will be a non issue after the break., but other than that, what's wrong with the original tennis method of powdered chalk?
It would show up instantly as a blaze on the tyre and is completely harmless and costs hardly anything.