Ferrari Project 677 Speculation Thread

[cplchanb]

Everybody thought Mercedes had it in the bag for 2021.

Everybody thought Red Bull had it in the bag for 2024.

Well they did have it in the bag until the last lap of Abu Dhabi, and it wasn't even their issue why they lost the wdc.

[hollus]

OK, so you don’t want to have a Ferrari car thread. Roger that.
Thread locked.

[hollus]

Re-opened. Stay in the red, please.

[f1316]

Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!

“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”

https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/

It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.

[Fakepivot]

Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!

“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”

https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/

It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.

is this due to like cooling? every team has big air intake on top, while Ferrari's quite tiny in comparison

[Vinlarr89]

Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!

“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”

https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/

It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.

is this due to like cooling? every team has big air intake on top, while Ferrari's quite tiny in comparison

Negative. Ferrari just use less centreline cooling than the rivals. RBR use less through the sidepods. Horses for courses

[sucof]

Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!

“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”

https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/

It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.

It just seems logical that every other engine manufacturer is in the same shoe.
Every engine is capable for more, for all the teams, it is a balancing act what the engine can take but still remain reliable.
If you think about engineering, you will find, there is just no other way to do any kind of device. No parts on any car is different. All of them could do more, for the cost of breaking earlier.

[Stu]

There is no longitudinal prescription in the rules for CoG, AFAIK. There is only a weight ratio at the wheel axles, which they can measure with those 4 balances.

This can also only be measured during qualifying.

[hollus]

But yes, the weight distribution fixes the position of the CoG between the axles (with that small margin from the leeway in the distribution). My bad.

[f1316]

Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!

“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”

https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/

It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.

It just seems logical that every other engine manufacturer is in the same shoe.
Every engine is capable for more, for all the teams, it is a balancing act what the engine can take but still remain reliable.
If you think about engineering, you will find, there is just no other way to do any kind of device. No parts on any car is different. All of them could do more, for the cost of breaking earlier.

Fair enough but anecdotally you never hear about other teams ever “turning it up” (ie accessing an available engine mode not used at every race) like you always do for Ferrari at Monza. Maybe those teams don’t have a single race that’s as important for them as monza is for Ferrari or maybe Ferrari turning it all up is all make believe, but I tend to think there’s no smoke without fire for some of these rumours.