2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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SiLo wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 17:16
He's literally won a race already. The bigger issue is the gap to Mclaren opening up from where it was at the end of the year, with Ferrari looking very fast.

But then clean air was the “king” and now in Suzuka it was a ‘filthy peasant’ :roll:. And even then still you can’t give conclusions if you’re honest enough because it’s outlier in the sample of few races where the car is clearly not where it should be.

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Luscion wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 17:16
Unsure how reliable FUnoAT is but a few from autoracer follow them so figured id post it

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2025 ... hrain.html
In a few days we'll see the new floor of the Ferrari, in theory. In Maranello they tried to advance the update already for Suzuka, but, according to Fred Vasseur, the timing was too tight and it was better to slow down. Hamilton spoke about this new component ready to debut, but Fred slightly backtracked, because the Red team is still undecided. We'll see. Meanwhile, some technical discussions.
The first update is already decisive for balancing the Italian car. The Suzuka track revealed strengths and weaknesses of the Red car, in an unsatisfying weekend, in which the Italian team was forced to limit the damage, getting the maximum possible from the single-seater. What the SF-25 lacks we have highlighted several times. A car that carries with it a suspension philosophy very different from Red Bull and McLaren, with which they have to build a different setup.
The engineers are far from a complete understanding of the car, as the team itself declared during the Japanese weekend, confirming the doubts we had expressed this winter. The cars of this generation are extremely complicated, with systems highly sensitive to various parameters. Maranello's risk was precisely that of not understanding the car from the start, and unfortunately that is exactly what is happening."
In addition to various understanding problems, balance and pure performance are lacking, in the end. This aspect severely limits the potential related to the car's setup. By now everyone is aware of the chronic understeer of the SF-25, which we've been highlighting since the second day of testing in Bahrain. Although there are various limitations at the rear and in downforce generation, the Red car is dealing more with a lack of rotation. An effect that transforms into oversteer only in the exit phases. This aspect needed to be clarified once again. With the second version of the car floor that they will bring to the track, the team wants to solve this puzzle with a different management of fluid mass. This component should debut in Sakhir, tasked at the same time with covering the natural development already planned during the winter.

The updated aerodynamic map

From a purely technical point of view, we should observe further variations on the keel geometry, whose design is strictly linked to the flow stability beneath the car. We have already indicated how Ferrari uses less complex geometries compared to direct competitors, also due to the use of suspension kinematics that show a lower steepness at the base. The characteristics of the new floor, according to information gathered by our editorial team, the historic Italian team has improved the generation of vertical thrust with the new floor, corresponding to the ride heights they can currently use. In this way, the macro component in question will become "more usable." Other teams also cannot lower beyond a certain threshold. Vasseur himself hinted at this.
This website is run by some people that are friends with the AR guys. I find them reliable for technical analysis but I'm not sure about their track record for development leaks.

It's weird that both drivers said clearly there would be a new floor in Bahrain, but then Vasseur said it's not decided yet. This means either the drivers had the wrong information or Vasseur changed his mind about bringing the new floor between when the drivers last spoke about this, and when he got interviewed?

I also don't understand the Autoracer article saying the package will bring the SF-25 more in line with what was seen in simulations over the winter. Didn't the team state during both preseason testing and Australia that the car's behavior matched what they saw in the simulator?

I'm not saying Vasseur was lying or anything, but it seems there's been some miscommunication. Or these outlets are wrong, but I don't think Duchessa would personally publish an article with uncertain info.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 17:46
Luscion wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 17:16
Unsure how reliable FUnoAT is but a few from autoracer follow them so figured id post it

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2025 ... hrain.html
In a few days we'll see the new floor of the Ferrari, in theory. In Maranello they tried to advance the update already for Suzuka, but, according to Fred Vasseur, the timing was too tight and it was better to slow down. Hamilton spoke about this new component ready to debut, but Fred slightly backtracked, because the Red team is still undecided. We'll see. Meanwhile, some technical discussions.
The first update is already decisive for balancing the Italian car. The Suzuka track revealed strengths and weaknesses of the Red car, in an unsatisfying weekend, in which the Italian team was forced to limit the damage, getting the maximum possible from the single-seater. What the SF-25 lacks we have highlighted several times. A car that carries with it a suspension philosophy very different from Red Bull and McLaren, with which they have to build a different setup.
The engineers are far from a complete understanding of the car, as the team itself declared during the Japanese weekend, confirming the doubts we had expressed this winter. The cars of this generation are extremely complicated, with systems highly sensitive to various parameters. Maranello's risk was precisely that of not understanding the car from the start, and unfortunately that is exactly what is happening."
In addition to various understanding problems, balance and pure performance are lacking, in the end. This aspect severely limits the potential related to the car's setup. By now everyone is aware of the chronic understeer of the SF-25, which we've been highlighting since the second day of testing in Bahrain. Although there are various limitations at the rear and in downforce generation, the Red car is dealing more with a lack of rotation. An effect that transforms into oversteer only in the exit phases. This aspect needed to be clarified once again. With the second version of the car floor that they will bring to the track, the team wants to solve this puzzle with a different management of fluid mass. This component should debut in Sakhir, tasked at the same time with covering the natural development already planned during the winter.

The updated aerodynamic map

From a purely technical point of view, we should observe further variations on the keel geometry, whose design is strictly linked to the flow stability beneath the car. We have already indicated how Ferrari uses less complex geometries compared to direct competitors, also due to the use of suspension kinematics that show a lower steepness at the base. The characteristics of the new floor, according to information gathered by our editorial team, the historic Italian team has improved the generation of vertical thrust with the new floor, corresponding to the ride heights they can currently use. In this way, the macro component in question will become "more usable." Other teams also cannot lower beyond a certain threshold. Vasseur himself hinted at this.
This website is run by some people that are friends with the AR guys. I find them reliable for technical analysis but I'm not sure about their track record for development leaks.

It's weird that both drivers said clearly there would be a new floor in Bahrain, but then Vasseur said it's not decided yet. This means either the drivers had the wrong information or Vasseur changed his mind about bringing the new floor between when the drivers last spoke about this, and when he got interviewed?

I also don't understand the Autoracer article saying the package will bring the SF-25 more in line with what was seen in simulations over the winter. Didn't the team state during both preseason testing and Australia that the car's behavior matched what they saw in the simulator?

I'm not saying Vasseur was lying or anything, but it seems there's been some miscommunication. Or these outlets are wrong, but I don't think Duchessa would personally publish an article with uncertain info.
I believe the DF numbers are correct, the issue is they can't setup the car in a way that gets these numbers consistently due to limitations (as of right now, they can't stabilize the aero platform to prevent excessive plank wear). The new floor is *supposed to* give a larger operating window

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Chill guys, the season is long. From Suzuka, it is evident the team has started understanding and extracting more from the Car. I believe once they fully understand it, SF-25 will be the best car out there. Both Lewis and Charles are extremely good and once they are on top the issues can consistently haul good amount of points every weekend. The cc is still on imo.

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We shall see on the FIA updates list pretty soon if there is indeed a new floor or some other part.
For Sure!!

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On a side note, I'm glad the talk about Adami being a bad engineer has died down. That was very ridiculous.