2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Formula 1 fan 1996]

Is there any news about upgrades of floor for the race in Bahrain?

Leclerc said there would be a floor upgrade for both cars that would hopefully make them more competitive. Hamilton said he'd have a new floor because he's been losing "a tenth" with his current one, though it's unclear whether he meant only for him or for both cars. Vasseur said there would be upgrades eventually but they need to fix their current issues first.

The way I understood all this is that there will be a new floor in Bahrain for both of them, but this floor isn't expected to be a huge performance upgrade, rather something to help with the car's handling.

I have no idea how accurate this is. This is only what makes the most sense to me given the context and three people saying seemingly three different things...

Okay, thank you very much for answer and explanation.

[Cs98]

I think the worrying part for Lewis will be the race pace. I would have expected him to close the gap with a vengeance in Japan having gone long onto the mediums, that's what Lewis used to do. Instead he watched Kimi on a similar strategy drop him by 10 seconds, only finishing 8 seconds ahead of Hadjar in the end. Race pace has long been his greatest strength so if he doesn't figure that out he's in trouble.

[venkyhere]

I think the worrying part for Lewis will be the race pace. I would have expected him to close the gap with a vengeance in Japan having gone long onto the mediums, that's what Lewis used to do. Instead he watched Kimi on a similar strategy drop him by 10 seconds, only finishing 8 seconds ahead of Hadjar in the end. Race pace has long been his greatest strength so if he doesn't figure that out he's in trouble.

what nonsense are you talking ? Are you an 'unga-bunga-caveman' or a 'troll' ?
In this thread, it's illegal to compare Hamilton in a Ferrari with Antonelli in a Mercedes, particularly if they are on different tyre strategies. Apparently 5 lap old mediums on less than half fuel load is a worse tyre than 1 lap old hards on same fuel load on another car, it doesn't matter that deg is minimal on a low temp track.

[Luscion]

The upgrade package will serve to unlock the overall performance that the drivers had seen in the simulator. Next weekend could reveal whether the SF-25 still deserves further heavy resources.

https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-lavvio- ... -tutto-qui

[DJ Downforce]

The upgrade package will serve to unlock the overall performance that the drivers had seen in the simulator. Next weekend could reveal whether the SF-25 still deserves further heavy resources.

https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-lavvio- ... -tutto-qui

Not getting my hopes up. The floor is the piece which could solve the puzzle however.

It's puzzling that Dino is driving in fp1 instead of Leclerc

[DJ Downforce]

I think the worrying part for Lewis will be the race pace. I would have expected him to close the gap with a vengeance in Japan having gone long onto the mediums, that's what Lewis used to do. Instead he watched Kimi on a similar strategy drop him by 10 seconds, only finishing 8 seconds ahead of Hadjar in the end. Race pace has long been his greatest strength so if he doesn't figure that out he's in trouble.

I'm probably his biggest fan lol and yes it is starting to set some alarm bells off in my head. It's the lines he's taking too.
I'll reserve judgement for a few more races - maybe he's under some instruction.

[Cs98]

I think the worrying part for Lewis will be the race pace. I would have expected him to close the gap with a vengeance in Japan having gone long onto the mediums, that's what Lewis used to do. Instead he watched Kimi on a similar strategy drop him by 10 seconds, only finishing 8 seconds ahead of Hadjar in the end. Race pace has long been his greatest strength so if he doesn't figure that out he's in trouble.

what nonsense are you talking ? Are you an 'unga-bunga-caveman' or a 'troll' ?
In this thread, it's illegal to compare Hamilton in a Ferrari with Antonelli in a Mercedes, particularly if they are on different tyre strategies. Apparently 5 lap old mediums on less than half fuel load is a worse tyre than 1 lap old hards on same fuel load on another car, it doesn't matter that deg is minimal on a low temp track.

Relax, it's perfectly fine to discuss these things with a sensible attitude. No need for sarcasm.

[DJ Downforce]

I think the worrying part for Lewis will be the race pace. I would have expected him to close the gap with a vengeance in Japan having gone long onto the mediums, that's what Lewis used to do. Instead he watched Kimi on a similar strategy drop him by 10 seconds, only finishing 8 seconds ahead of Hadjar in the end. Race pace has long been his greatest strength so if he doesn't figure that out he's in trouble.

what nonsense are you talking ? Are you an 'unga-bunga-caveman' or a 'troll' ?
In this thread, it's illegal to compare Hamilton in a Ferrari with Antonelli in a Mercedes, particularly if they are on different tyre strategies. Apparently 5 lap old mediums on less than half fuel load is a worse tyre than 1 lap old hards on same fuel load on another car, it doesn't matter that deg is minimal on a low temp track.

Seek help

[Emag]

The upgrade package will serve to unlock the overall performance that the drivers had seen in the simulator. Next weekend could reveal whether the SF-25 still deserves further heavy resources.

https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-lavvio- ... -tutto-qui

It's really weird with this car because if you remove whatever is limiting them from exploiting it to its full potential, it's probably the best car on the grid, or at least very close to it. After Australia FP2, I genuinely believed they would be in the hunt, but the next day the car did a complete 180, which was super confusing at first. It was too big of a step down in performance to be justified by the "wet weather setup", so I didn't really expect them to fair that much better in the race.

But then the rumors started to leak out and we were kind of getting some answers. However, yet again in China sprint quali & race, when the car was allowed to operate at its limit at the hands of Lewis, it was really impressive. Then of course the whole plank wear fiasco happens after the race and they try a more cautious approach in Suzuka, which again, hurt the pace a lot.

If whatever they bring in Bahrain targets to solve the issue, but it doesn't then that's probably some reason to worry. However, if what they bring in Bahrain was planned before they were aware of this limitation, then it doesn't really matter, we would still have to wait a couple more races before making "the ultimate call" in regards to their priorities in resource allocation.

[CHT]

The upgrade package will serve to unlock the overall performance that the drivers had seen in the simulator. Next weekend could reveal whether the SF-25 still deserves further heavy resources.

https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-lavvio- ... -tutto-qui

It's really weird with this car because if you remove whatever is limiting them from exploiting it to its full potential, it's probably the best car on the grid, or at least very close to it. After Australia FP2, I genuinely believed they would be in the hunt, but the next day the car did a complete 180, which was super confusing at first. It was too big of a step down in performance to be justified by the "wet weather setup", so I didn't really expect them to fair that much better in the race.

But then the rumors started to leak out and we were kind of getting some answers. However, yet again in China sprint quali & race, when the car was allowed to operate at its limit at the hands of Lewis, it was really impressive. Then of course the whole plank wear fiasco happens after the race and they try a more cautious approach in Suzuka, which again, hurt the pace a lot.

If whatever they bring in Bahrain targets to solve the issue, but it doesn't then that's probably some reason to worry. However, if what they bring in Bahrain was planned before they were aware of this limitation, then it doesn't really matter, we would still have to wait a couple more races before making "the ultimate call" in regards to their priorities in resource allocation.

Deja vu

Are they meant to be disqualified together? The last time in US GP, LH was also disqualified due to the same issue alongside Charles.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... iePtPjEWWQ

[Farnborough]

It's certainly odd and ultimately to embarrassment in where they are now.

The car looks very intelligent in it's evolution and with what looks like a fairly leading edge aero implementation too.

Quite what they now feel is pinpointed as being accepted as problematic is smoking around, but still conjecture.

They definitely need to ramp up the response to correct a fault if its a technical implementation type issue. All else will hinge on that.

Still looks to have great potential ..... that quick look that LH gave us in China S was enticing to see.

I really hope that whatever a fix is that it will bring this car back on track. Would like to understand just what that is though if they determine they can publicly indicate the problem.

[IntrinsicVoid]

I think the worrying part for Lewis will be the race pace. I would have expected him to close the gap with a vengeance in Japan having gone long onto the mediums, that's what Lewis used to do. Instead he watched Kimi on a similar strategy drop him by 10 seconds, only finishing 8 seconds ahead of Hadjar in the end. Race pace has long been his greatest strength so if he doesn't figure that out he's in trouble.

what nonsense are you talking ? Are you an 'unga-bunga-caveman' or a 'troll' ?
In this thread, it's illegal to compare Hamilton in a Ferrari with Antonelli in a Mercedes, particularly if they are on different tyre strategies. Apparently 5 lap old mediums on less than half fuel load is a worse tyre than 1 lap old hards on same fuel load on another car, it doesn't matter that deg is minimal on a low temp track.

It’s not illegal it’s just pointless to recycle the same discussion from Mercedes topic. Three races have passed whilst one having both cars DSQ, the team around the drivers completely let down in comparison to previous year. You’re hiding your overfixation on Lewis with some eloquent wording like you mastered Psychology recently.

Point is, give it more races and then make a judgement, we get it he’s old, out of his prime and etc. No need to remind us after every race, we don’t have memory issues or drinking oil for breakfast.

[deadhead]

I don’t know about all this “out of his prime” talk because it all happened so suddenly… as soon as the Mercedes was no longer a dominant / championship contending car HAM became old and not longer in his prime. What a coincidence…

In other words I think it’s all about the car and if the SF25 can provide what he needs he will be fine.

[SiLo]

He's literally won a race already. The bigger issue is the gap to Mclaren opening up from where it was at the end of the year, with Ferrari looking very fast.

[Luscion]

Unsure how reliable FUnoAT is but a few from autoracer follow them so figured id post it

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2025 ... hrain.html

In a few days we'll see the new floor of the Ferrari, in theory. In Maranello they tried to advance the update already for Suzuka, but, according to Fred Vasseur, the timing was too tight and it was better to slow down. Hamilton spoke about this new component ready to debut, but Fred slightly backtracked, because the Red team is still undecided. We'll see. Meanwhile, some technical discussions.
The first update is already decisive for balancing the Italian car. The Suzuka track revealed strengths and weaknesses of the Red car, in an unsatisfying weekend, in which the Italian team was forced to limit the damage, getting the maximum possible from the single-seater. What the SF-25 lacks we have highlighted several times. A car that carries with it a suspension philosophy very different from Red Bull and McLaren, with which they have to build a different setup.
The engineers are far from a complete understanding of the car, as the team itself declared during the Japanese weekend, confirming the doubts we had expressed this winter. The cars of this generation are extremely complicated, with systems highly sensitive to various parameters. Maranello's risk was precisely that of not understanding the car from the start, and unfortunately that is exactly what is happening."

In addition to various understanding problems, balance and pure performance are lacking, in the end. This aspect severely limits the potential related to the car's setup. By now everyone is aware of the chronic understeer of the SF-25, which we've been highlighting since the second day of testing in Bahrain. Although there are various limitations at the rear and in downforce generation, the Red car is dealing more with a lack of rotation. An effect that transforms into oversteer only in the exit phases. This aspect needed to be clarified once again. With the second version of the car floor that they will bring to the track, the team wants to solve this puzzle with a different management of fluid mass. This component should debut in Sakhir, tasked at the same time with covering the natural development already planned during the winter.

The updated aerodynamic map

From a purely technical point of view, we should observe further variations on the keel geometry, whose design is strictly linked to the flow stability beneath the car. We have already indicated how Ferrari uses less complex geometries compared to direct competitors, also due to the use of suspension kinematics that show a lower steepness at the base. The characteristics of the new floor, according to information gathered by our editorial team, the historic Italian team has improved the generation of vertical thrust with the new floor, corresponding to the ride heights they can currently use. In this way, the macro component in question will become "more usable." Other teams also cannot lower beyond a certain threshold. Vasseur himself hinted at this.