2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:53
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:49
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:48


Brundle doesn’t agree with you.
Lots of people said he was wrong about Silverstone when he said racing incident.
Its not just Brundle literally the onboards show they were side by side. You can see Verstappen on Lewis' onboard the as they turned through. Perhaps Hamilton just didn't expect him there.
Same as Lap 1 and Stewards ruled it racing incident.
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Spacepace wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:52
astracrazy wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:49
Lewis gave him space on the way in but shut the door on the way out.

No doubt Lewis expected Max to go across the chicane but he didn't.
Or back out
see how this is basically the same thing that happened at Silverstone, one of them gives room for the other and this doesn't happen, same thing here... tit for tat, except Max doesn't walk away with 25 points and Ham with 0

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At Silverstone RB was beating on the ”he wouldn’t have made the corner” drum. I wonder how they view this one, with the angle he was trying to take that turn.

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Gotta swap the Maccas. With the top 2 out, Norris needs th win and points!

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Silly mistake again from Hamilton. He didn't leave space on the inside, he can be grateful for the halo for saving his life.

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politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:53
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:49
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:48


Brundle doesn’t agree with you.
Lots of people said he was wrong about Silverstone when he said racing incident.
Its not just Brundle literally the onboards show they were side by side. You can see Verstappen on Lewis' onboard the as they turned through. Perhaps Hamilton just didn't expect him there.
There was overlap but Hamilton's nose was always in front. As I said, at no point was Verstappen ahead. Any sensible driver would have backed out of that.

In fact, Leclerc just showed exactly what Verstappen should have done.

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Hoffman900 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:49
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:48
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:47
Madness from Verstappen. Behind Hamilton the whole time, tried something that absolutely wasn't on, and in past years we'd be looking at a dead driver.

And yes, as mentioned, on the first lap Hamilton backed out in an identical situation.

Brundle doesn’t agree with you.
Racing incident. Two cars just can’t go into there.

Granted, Brundle tried that on Senna in F2 and ended up the same way.
Got to agree but the stewards like to apportion blame.
See what they say.

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El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:51
politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:50
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:47
Madness from Verstappen. Behind Hamilton the whole time, tried something that absolutely wasn't on, and in past years we'd be looking at a dead driver.

And yes, as mentioned, on the first lap Hamilton backed out in an identical situation.
He wasn't behind. They were side by side the whole time. Like Ocon vs Vettel earlier.
No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.
You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

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El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:51
politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:50
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:47
Madness from Verstappen. Behind Hamilton the whole time, tried something that absolutely wasn't on, and in past years we'd be looking at a dead driver.

And yes, as mentioned, on the first lap Hamilton backed out in an identical situation.
He wasn't behind. They were side by side the whole time. Like Ocon vs Vettel earlier.
No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.
Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead

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Mercedes could've stuck the long run on hards plan rather than reacting to verstappen's slow stop, even if the gap would've reduced they would've had the offset later and could possibly have benefited from a safety car.

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politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:57
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:51
politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:50


He wasn't behind. They were side by side the whole time. Like Ocon vs Vettel earlier.
No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.
You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png
And is he ahead? No. The driver ahead has the right to the corner.

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Spacepace wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:57
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:51
politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:50


He wasn't behind. They were side by side the whole time. Like Ocon vs Vettel earlier.
No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.
Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead
Exactly- thank you.

Verstappen was clearly thinking 'Either I'm coming out of this corner ahead or neither of us is coming out of it.'

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El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:56
politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:53
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:49


Lots of people said he was wrong about Silverstone when he said racing incident.
Its not just Brundle literally the onboards show they were side by side. You can see Verstappen on Lewis' onboard the as they turned through. Perhaps Hamilton just didn't expect him there.
There was overlap but Hamilton's nose was always in front. As I said, at no point was Verstappen ahead. Any sensible driver would have backed out of that.

In fact, Leclerc just showed exactly what Verstappen should have done.
It's not about being ahead sir. It's about being side by side and leaving space, otherwise, what Norris did to Perez, or what Perez did to Leclerc are all admissible as fair racing under your criteria.

You're pointing to Leclerc who despite having the space went off the track, that is what drivers must do?. Go off the track instead of racing fairly?. Cool.
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El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:59
politburo wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:57
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 15:51


No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.
You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png
And is he ahead? No. The driver ahead has the right to the corner.
If that is the "rule" there will never be overtaking.
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