2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[ringo]

No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.

Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead

Exactly- thank you.

Verstappen was clearly thinking 'Either I'm coming out of this corner ahead or neither of us is coming out of it.'

Agreed. Max had no intention of avoiding contact and i beleive that is why he will be penalized.
Much different situation from silverstone. Max had 3 phases in that corner. At each phase he could have easily took the decision to avoid contact.
So i beleive he deserves a penalty and also his comment right after crashing Lewis out he says "that's what you deserve!"
Unacceptable.

[Spacepace]

It's not about being ahead sir. It's about being side by side and leaving space, otherwise, what Norris did to Perez, or what Perez did to Leclerc are all admissible as fair racing under your criteria.

You're pointing to Leclerc who despite having the space went off the track, that is what drivers must do?. Go off the track instead of racing fairly?. Cool.

So hypothetical if they were side by side they both had the right to the corner. But in this instance Verstappen went deep and tried to use part of the kerbs to race on. You can't overtake off the track. He should have yielded

He never went four wheels off the track

Sure looked like he launched it to me

[101FlyingDutchman]

No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.

You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png

Not ahead, so Lewis has the right to the line. Like Max did on lap 1.

Like Silverstone?

[jknights]

And is he ahead? No. The driver ahead has the right to the corner.

If that is the "rule" there will never be overtaking.

Not at that chicane when you're behind and driving into a closing wedge. It was a silly, desperate move that didn't need to be done there. Leclerc just after the restart showed exactly what should be done in that situation. Just live to fight another day.

Exactly.
Sensible driving rather than red mist!

[f1316]

So if cutting a corner and taking a place is just a 5 second penalty, you might as well just do that when you can’t get past. Like, Max and Lewis should have done that in the first stint - they would easily have pulled that gap.

[Ryar]

No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.

You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png

Not ahead, so Lewis has the right to the line. Like Max did on lap 1.

Lewis had colder tyres compared to Max and Max was clearly, ahead. So that's a bad move again from Lewis.

[dans79]

Shame some people on this board can't stay consistent. Max's fault this time because his nose wasn't in front, yet Silverstone it was Max's fault because he should have just left room, even though Lewis didn't have his nose in front.

There's a difference between the inside of the corner and the outside and the entry to the corner and the exit of a corner.

[Mogster]

Max should have used the second escape road.

[Tvetovnato]

No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.

Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead

It's not about being ahead *facepalm*. Who in the world told you that if you're side by side and one driver is a meter or 2 ahead, with cars that are 5 meters long, then they can just turn in like the other driver isn't there?. There is so much precedence for this I don't understand what you're even arguing, its about being significantly alongside. Can point to at least 5+ situations like these in the past two years alone where a driver gets penalized for forcing another driver off-track/crowding because they did not leave a car's width.

Like Max on the first lap you mean? Not a cars width there.

[sosic2121]

Great to see Ric leading

[El Scorchio]

Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead

Exactly- thank you.

Verstappen was clearly thinking 'Either I'm coming out of this corner ahead or neither of us is coming out of it.'

Exactly if its any other car Max cuts the chicane.

100% he would. Everyone else yields in that situation.

Actually it was getting on for Schumacher-esque in attitude.

[foxmulder_ms]

Vest must be penalized.

He almost killed HAM.

[politburo]

No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.

You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png

Not ahead, so Lewis has the right to the line. Like Max did on lap 1.

You should read the FIA's sporting code, Appendix L on overtaking. I'll leave it at that.

[astracrazy]

You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png

Not ahead, so Lewis has the right to the line. Like Max did on lap 1.

Like Silverstone?

No as then it would be Lewis' fault. Max should have left him room there.

[Ryar]

Shame some people on this board can't stay consistent. Max's fault this time because his nose wasn't in front, yet Silverstone it was Max's fault because he should have just left room, even though Lewis didn't have his nose in front.

There's a difference between the inside of the corner and the outside and the entry to the corner and the exit of a corner.

You have to leave a car's width, no matter where you are. Simple rule, which Lewis didn't follow.