2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[El Scorchio]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

Yeah, from that, it looks like Verstappen would never have made that second part of the chicane in a million years. He didn't seem to be making any effort to turn the wheel. Hamilton was going to be running somewhat wide as it was. Again thank f*** for the halo.

[Stormblessed]

This is like watching Monte Carlo. If Bottas wasn't last, we wouldn't see any overtaking.

Agreed, with the crash and McLaren 1-2, this is totally going to be forgotten.. unfortunate as this track has given some wonderful races in the past.

[Restomaniac]

I would not call Lewis entitled to the corner, he was allot slower comping out of the pits and Verstappen was significant alongside, so Lewis had to leave a space.

Racing incident

Let me guess. On lap 1 Verstappen was in the right there too. Correct?

[jknights]

Best race this year. Shame no red car driver on the podium.

[Tvetovnato]

Ric: I was sandbagging all year until now Love it!

[Mattyw]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

Yeah, from that, it looks like Verstappen would never have made that second part of the chicane in a million years. Hamilton was going to be running somewhat wide as it was. Again thank f*** for the halo.

Ham literally driving away from the apex !

[LHamilton]

In regards to the Lewis - Max incident; Similar to Silverstone in that it was probably a racing incident with Max this time being slightly at fault. Max was very ambitious in the same way Lewis was ambitious in Silverstone. And when they are racing as they are, nobody is gonna back down and thus the more ambitious one tends to lose out. We saw that in turn 4 on lap 1 this race where Lewis tried to go around the outside but backed out. So if there is consistency, then perhaps a grid penalty for Max. I would give the smallest amount probably, so a 3 grid place penalty (which I think is the lowest amount.).

[ringo]

The stewards' decision on the Silverstone HAM/VER incident includes:

"Cars 33 and 44 entered turn 9 with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside.  Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside. When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of
Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33.  Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault."

The car positions are swapped for the Monza incident. VER was probably on a line that hits the apex but doesn't constitute an angle that would make the corner at the speed involved without driving HAM off circuit? In this case I'm not sure if HAM was turning in at the time that VER committed. VER had room to the inside to avoid contact - so the stewards may take the view that he could've taken avoiding action.

Different incidents overall but I expect that they'll take a similar decision in terms of apportioning a slightly more than 50% portion of blame for the incident to VER, with no penalty to either, unless there is telemetry to suggest intent to cause a collision.

Hamilton got a 10 second penalty. Max should get 5 grid spot like Bottas did for Hungary.
Bottas had no intention of causing a collisison.
Max did. So he should be penalized.

[dans79]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

And that's why Max could get a penalty or a warning. instead of avoiding the curbs when he was for sure going to hit them, he just kept going.

[El Scorchio]

This is like watching Monte Carlo. If Bottas wasn't last, we wouldn't see any overtaking.

Agreed, with the crash and McLaren 1-2, this is totally going to be forgotten.. unfortunate as this track has given some wonderful races in the past.

Is it just that the wings they can put on are SO skinny now that it basically renders DRS useless at high speed tracks?

[Spacepace]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

Yeah, from that, it looks like Verstappen would never have made that second part of the chicane in a million years. He didn't seem to be making any effort to turn the wheel. Hamilton was going to be running somewhat wide as it was. Again thank f*** for the halo.

Also this view proves all four wheels off track. He was carrying way to much speed too

[Mattyw]

Just realised grid penalty a bit pointless for Max as they will just use it to put a new engine in?

[Pany]

Come on guys, cleary racing incident. No one of the two will give up when they enter the chicane, is logical. Max was on left kerb and beside lewis, why should turn left before the curve is f8nished. And lewis pushed the max he could without pushing out a car.

[PlatinumZealot]

Age is definitely catching up with Lewis with his inability towards spatial awareness. So many mistakes. This can only get worse for him.

Max made a bunch too. Lost the lead. Locked up twice. Ran his rear brakes too hot. Red mist there in the end causing a collision. But it's a bit petty pointing out every single thing so I don't play that game. Racing was never this sterilized perfection that you want it to be.

[dans79]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

And that's why Max could get a penalty or a warning. instead of avoiding the curbs when he was for sure going to hit them, he just kept going.