2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[JordanMugen]

How do you crash into the side of someone if you a comfortably a full car length behind?

That was a wheel alongside AND Verstappen did leave enough space, over a car's width to the apex. Here Verstappen was fully alongside and Hamilton didn't even a tyre's width to the apex.

[djones]

Hang on. Hamilton had already played the nice guy on lap 1. How many times does he need to? Everytime he goes wheel to wheel with the spoiled child?

In this situation, especially after now being on mediums he could have overtaken easily in the laps after. Instead, he chose to fight a fight where he could only lose. Them both not finishing is a dream result for Max as Hamilton was on for an easy win.

So Hamilton has to do it everytime then. How completely balanced if you.

By not letting him past this time he has a net loss in the championship in a race he could have easily won. It really is that simple.

[JordanMugen]

Max said in the pen Lewis only had to leave him room and Lewis would have got out of turn 2 ahead anyway. If that was the case why risk going wheel to wheel with Lewis if you were sure he would get you on the exit. What he said makes me think even more Max went in there hoping for contact.

That's a very illogical analysis of Verstappen's comments.

[subcritical71]

Does anyone think that even if left a proper space to the apex that max is making that corner without pushing Lewis off track?

[JordanMugen]

So Hamilton has to do it everytime then. How completely balanced if you.

All both Hamilton and Verstappen need to do is follow the sporting regulations and avoid causing collisions.

Else they will be penalised, just as Ocon was for example. Indeed, Hamilton in Silverstone too for that matter...

[selvam_e2002]

1st Lap Max slowdown on Ric on that apex because he is not racing with Ric however with Ham, he decided not to slowdown on the same apex and it leads both the car out of the race.

Max got benefit compared to Hamilton this time.

If Max does not learn from his mistake, he will be next Vettel out side of RB.

[nzjrs]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

Yes but Lewis was penalized... so if its just like Silverstone..then Max should be penalized like Lewis was.

You misunderstand me.

I think both were racing incidents and I think FIA indulges in consequence-based penalty adjudication, which I disagree with. Because this one is symmetrical I think nothing much will come of it.

[Just_a_fan]

Reminiscent of Hill/Schumacher in 94/95.

Do you mean when Schumacher, in a damaged car, deliberately drove in to his title rival and so won the title by taking him out of the race?

Hamilton is behind in the title fight - he has everything to lose in the contact, Max has nothing to lose. Which would put Max in the Schumacher role here today.

[Ryar]

To me the incident was on Lewis, he actually ran already wide in T1 trying to outbrake Max on cold tires, pushing Max on the sausage curb for T2, which results in Max being basically a passenger. Again its Lewis missing the Apex while being on the inside in an overtaking maneuver (same as in Silverstone).

Completely agree on that. I already said that, Lewis was on colder tyres and breaks compared to Max and that was a desperate attempt to stop an overtake from Lewis.

[JordanMugen]

Vest diehards, if you think this is anything but Vest aggression then you have zero respect from me and you just have blind love/hate:

https://i.postimg.cc/qRpyh2Db/E-GC-Ha-XMAIs-IDn.jpg

That's very selective.

The later frame shows HAM not leaving enough space to the apex, barely 10 inches, let alone a car's width.

Here are two later frames:

[dans79]

He is due a new engine anyway so if he gets a grid drop he will just take the new engine then.

Someone mentioned this earlier, and I don't think the fIA will let you do that. If the FIA does something that nullifies your penalty like in SPA is one thing, but a team can't themselves do something to lessen a penalty!

What do you mean? They can't take an engine if he had a grid place drop penalty?

If a team decided to replace an entire engine they automatically are going to the back of the grid. If you do that at the same race you had a grid penalty, you would effectively be nullifying the grid penalty. The FIA isn't going to allow that they will give you the grid penalty at the next race then.

[Nathanael F1]

Vest diehards, if you think this is anything but Vest aggression then you have zero respect from me and you just have blind love/hate:

https://i.postimg.cc/qRpyh2Db/E-GC-Ha-XMAIs-IDn.jpg

Sorry but it’s driving me crazy seeing your comments. It’s Verstappen not Vestrappen or whatever you’re trying to spell.

[RonMexico]

Someone mentioned this earlier, and I don't think the fIA will let you do that. If the FIA does something that nullifies your penalty like in SPA is one thing, but a team can't themselves do something to lessen a penalty!

What do you mean? They can't take an engine if he had a grid place drop penalty?

If a team decided to replace an entire engine they automatically are going to the back of the grid. If you do that at the same race you had a grid penalty, you would effectively be nullifying the grid penalty. The FIA isn't going to allow that they will give you the grid penalty at the next race then.

Is there a precedent for that situation or a specific rule?

[napoleon1981]

Vest diehards, if you think this is anything but Vest aggression then you have zero respect from me and you just have blind love/hate:

https://i.postimg.cc/qRpyh2Db/E-GC-Ha-XMAIs-IDn.jpg

If you are on the inside like Lewis is, its your job to leave the cars width, clearly he didnt (he missed the apex)

[selvam_e2002]

How do you crash into the side of someone if you a comfortably a full car length behind?

That was a wheel alongside AND Verstappen did leave enough space, over a car's width to the apex. Here Verstappen was fully alongside and Hamilton didn't even a tyre's width to the apex.

basic question?

How do you overtake the car in that apex? outside or inside?

Look at the race and see how the other driver over take on that apex. All or inside.

So, Max know Ham will be front of him when he exit from pit. so Max increased the speed and try to take Ham from outside however, that is not the right way to over take the car.

Hence Max supporter says he is full width of the car with Ham and Ham never gave space.

Max is very clever. He looses no point and better to crash on Hamilton. Good tactics.