2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[Shrieker]

If people still blaming Hamilton for not leaving space, please take a look at lap one situation as well (15.08) same thing but Hamilton avoided a crash. Verstappen could have done the same, but didn’t.

IMO verstappen gets away with too much. But that’s me.

Definitely not just you. In the past he didn't even get a slap on the wrist for things others had been handed out grid penalties (or worse) for.

He does get away with an awful lot doesn’t he? He just has this entitled way of driving when in wheel to wheel combat and he doesn’t ever quite grasp when to back off. There is a dirty ingredient in his race craft that’s been there since his karting days and I give up thinking he will ever grow out of it. He will probably end up hurting himself or someone else in his career but it is what it is. Great driver but appalling race craft imho.

I wrote a lengthy post about the roots of this behaviour, but all my posts about that subject including the follow up posts were deleted. And I was accused for libel and slandering lmao. Safe to say, next step would've been an outright ban. But,

I'll say it again, and will leave it concise this time. His father isn't a normal guy, and some people in his current team have been cultivating this mentality with their 'attaboy' approach.

[DChemTech]

The call for a ban isn't for me based on the incident, it's based on his comments. "That's what you get" knowing where his car had been and without any regard to the safety of a fellow driver..

And all that was similarly brought up at the Silverstone event...

You mean when Hamilton asked the team if Verstappen was ok? Like that you mean?

No, quite obviously that is not what I mean.

What was brought up back then was that Hamilton's response was "In terms of the move, I would do it exactly the way... I did it last [time]" (knowing the outcome), and Verstappen fans were then saying Lewis should get a race ban for being indifferent/celebrating after a big shunt.

Just like that, Hamilton fans are now calling for a race ban for Max for being indifferent after a big shunt.
It's all the same stuff, just the talking heads swapped places.

[Just_a_fan]

Theese guys are fighting. We want racing isnt it? No way they are not going to touch each other side by side in a chchicane. Aat that point a crash possibility is likely to occur because is a duell between the two.

They really should both follow the sporting races and avoid causing collisions though.

Like on lap 1 at the second chicane?

[Ryar]

Last year Gasly won a surprise victory here, today McLaren doubles. Gotta love Monza!

Continuing that trend, hope a Williams wins next year.

[NathanOlder]

3 PLACE PENALTY. 2 PENALTY POINTS

[JordanMugen]

exactly this

Ricciardo just talked about this, and guess what, he thinks it's a racing incident, sausage's curb fault.

It’s not really the sausage kerbs fault though, is it? He knows that the kerb will be there, and with the angle he is approaching the corner, it’s a given that he will be sent up in the air, collecting Lewis. A dumb move, that all other drivers have backed out of so far on this track out of self preservation, except ol’ Maxie who still feels the need to do these things, when he can just play the long game given the state of the championship. From now on, RB will easily have the best car, so he could have just chosen to get the points today, and even wait for another chance later in the race since it was still wide open.

I don't know about that, Verstappen was a lot faster out on the track than Hamilton coming out of the pits -- the move was very much on. Hamilton could have, after all, conceded the position since he knew he was on colder tyres.

In terms of points, it worked out OK, no relative WDC points lost for Verstappen.

T1 is quite divebomb-friendly here though. If any more contact will happen this season between the two, this could be the place, providing they start 1-2.

Excellent prediction.

[El Scorchio]

Grid drop and penalty points for Verstappen.

3 places. 2 points.

They did the right thing.

[Mattyw]

Stewards result correct

[Pany]

We dream.of senna prost battles and now that we get it we change mind? Is very closed battle and hard racing. For once, what else you desidere?

Theese guys are fighting. We want racing isnt it? No way they are not going to touch each other side by side in a chchicane. Aat that point a crash possibility is likely to occur because is a duell between the two.

They really should both follow the sporting races and avoid causing collisions though.

[JordanMugen]

3 PLACE PENALTY. 2 PENALTY POINTS

Hmm, curious.

Stewards result correct

I would say incorrect, but oh well no big deal.

I imagine Red Bull will appeal, as I don't see how Verstappen can be judged to be at fault.

[DChemTech]

The call for a ban isn't for me based on the incident, it's based on his comments. "That's what you get" knowing where his car had been and without any regard to the safety of a fellow driver..

And all that was similarly brought up at the Silverstone event...

you mean when LH asked about him, and didnt say "That is what you get"..

No, he said "In terms of the move, I would do it exactly the way... I did it last [time]." which boils down to the same thing, knowing the crash outcome.

But I have no intention to argue what exactly was and was not said. What is clear, is that Hamilton fans now call for the same things for which they lamented Verstappen fans last time. As one would expect, when fans argue.

[lh13]

3 place penalty is enough I guess, for something that happened at 50kph, rather than at 300kph.

[El Scorchio]

Di Resta still arguing the point. Goodness me...

Damon Hill talking sense, even if he has walked back a little from saying it was definitely deliberate.

Now they are also addressing that Verstappen didn't even look back. Di Resta making excuses for that as well.

[Tvetovnato]

Ricciardo just talked about this, and guess what, he thinks it's a racing incident, sausage's curb fault.

It’s not really the sausage kerbs fault though, is it? He knows that the kerb will be there, and with the angle he is approaching the corner, it’s a given that he will be sent up in the air, collecting Lewis. A dumb move, that all other drivers have backed out of so far on this track out of self preservation, except ol’ Maxie who still feels the need to do these things, when he can just play the long game given the state of the championship. From now on, RB will easily have the best car, so he could have just chosen to get the points today, and even wait for another chance later in the race since it was still wide open.

One can argue it other way round. Lewis knew there was sausage curb and pushing a driver alongside him, could air lift the other car and can push it over him. Hence, should have given more space.

Oh lord. Lewis was ahead in T1, and can choose his line into T2. Max treated it like 1 corner by accelerating on the outside of turn 1, when he knew that would leave him with the completely wrong angle for T2. His car would not have enough steering lock to go around T2 the way he approached it. By your reasoning, Max left even less space on the first lap. And I don’t blame him, because it was Lewis who made a questionable attempt, since he did not have the right for that corner. Just as Max didn’t have the right here. Differnce was that Lewis avoided it on lap one, something that Max should have done here. Clear and simple.

[zeph]

3 PLACE PENALTY. 2 PENALTY POINTS

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