2022 Regs

[jjn9128]

The rules mandate the weight of the PU, don't they? Given a chance, the teams would have reduced those by development over the years. But that would have been a spending war, which is not something the FIA / most of the teams want to see.

Yeah back in 2006 BMW and Honda estimated the v8 PUs could have been ~70kg rather than the mandated 95kg if they were allowed to use the more exotic materials they used in 2004/05. The PU weight was increased 5kg this year though for "durability" reasons. Do you think manufacturers have spent less P/A in the v6 hybrid formula than they were for the v10s/v8s?

[Just_a_fan]

Do you think manufacturers have spent less P/A in the v6 hybrid formula than they were for the v10s/v8s?

Given free rein on the PU front, I think the manufacturers would have spent much more than have done. The rules requiring "long life" components would have seen a huge spend if they were allowed to do what they wanted to bring weight down, for example. Making a lightweight multi-race PU is much more challenging than making a heavy version of the same thing, after all. And that challenge is lubricated with cash.

[Jolle]

The rules mandate the weight of the PU, don't they? Given a chance, the teams would have reduced those by development over the years. But that would have been a spending war, which is not something the FIA / most of the teams want to see.

Yeah back in 2006 BMW and Honda estimated the v8 PUs could have been ~70kg rather than the mandated 95kg if they were allowed to use the more exotic materials they used in 2004/05. The PU weight was increased 5kg this year though for "durability" reasons. Do you think manufacturers have spent less P/A in the v6 hybrid formula than they were for the v10s/v8s?

Manufacturers spend as much as they can/want, no matter what the formula is. The general rule of thumb is that how more you are willing to spend the more likely it is that you are faster then your competitors.
There has been a spending war between Daimler and PMI since the late nineties and only now are they really doing something about it.

[Herr_Koos]

Minimum weight has increased yet again.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2022- ... n-planned/

This means an F1 car starting a race in 2022 will weigh 980kg... The same as the target weight of Gordon Murray's new T50 supercar, which comes with aircon, luggage space, and room for 2 passengers.

Just to clarify, that's 790kg dry weight, with the other 190kg being fuel plus driver.

[jjn9128]

Minimum weight has increased yet again.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2022- ... n-planned/

This means an F1 car starting a race in 2022 will weigh 980kg... The same as the target weight of Gordon Murray's new T50 supercar, which comes with aircon, luggage space, and room for 2 passengers.

[henry]

Minimum weight has increased yet again.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2022- ... n-planned/

This means an F1 car starting a race in 2022 will weigh 980kg... The same as the target weight of Gordon Murray's new T50 supercar, which comes with aircon, luggage space, and room for 2 passengers.

Just to clarify, that's 790kg dry weight, with the other 190kg being fuel plus driver.

The regulated weight includes the driver and seat. So start weight 900kg. Still pretty big.

[Herr_Koos]

Minimum weight has increased yet again.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2022- ... n-planned/

This means an F1 car starting a race in 2022 will weigh 980kg... The same as the target weight of Gordon Murray's new T50 supercar, which comes with aircon, luggage space, and room for 2 passengers.

Just to clarify, that's 790kg dry weight, with the other 190kg being fuel plus driver.

The regulated weight includes the driver and seat. So start weight 900kg. Still pretty big.

According to the article, the 790kg excludes the 80kg for driver and seat.

[henry]

Minimum weight has increased yet again.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2022- ... n-planned/

This means an F1 car starting a race in 2022 will weigh 980kg... The same as the target weight of Gordon Murray's new T50 supercar, which comes with aircon, luggage space, and room for 2 passengers.

Just to clarify, that's 790kg dry weight, with the other 190kg being fuel plus driver.

The regulated weight includes the driver and seat. So start weight 900kg. Still pretty big.

According to the article, the 790kg excludes the 80kg for driver and seat.

Sorry, you are right. I’ve been fooling myself ever since they fixed the driver,seat,ballast at 80kg. Thanks

[jjn9128]

Mass of the driver is included in the minimum weight of the car!

[henry]

Mass of the driver is included in the minimum weight of the car!

I thought that, however:

2017 regs min Car weight 722kg, no mention of driver weight

2021 regs min car weight 752kg and a clause that requires the driver, seat and ballast to have a minimum weight of 80kg

I don’t think the car only has dropped to 672kg, especially given the heavier tyres.

[jjn9128]

Mass of the driver is included in the minimum weight of the car!

I thought that, however:

2017 regs min Car weight 722kg, no mention of driver weight

2021 regs min car weight 752kg and a clause that requires the driver, seat and ballast to have a minimum weight of 80kg

I don’t think the car only has dropped to 672kg, especially given the heavier tyres.

The driver + seat weight was brought in in 2019. Before that teams were free to add ballast where ever they wanted... or am I missing something?

[henry]

Mass of the driver is included in the minimum weight of the car!

I thought that, however:

2017 regs min Car weight 722kg, no mention of driver weight

2021 regs min car weight 752kg and a clause that requires the driver, seat and ballast to have a minimum weight of 80kg

I don’t think the car only has dropped to 672kg, especially given the heavier tyres.

The driver + seat weight was brought in in 2019. Before that teams were free to add ballast where ever they wanted... or am I missing something?

Once again I’m wrong

Current regs
1.9 Weight :
Is the weight of the car with the driver, wearing his complete racing apparel, at all times during the Event.

In 2022 Becomes, 2.4 Car mass, with the same wording.

So as we were, the cars will NOT weigh (have mass) of 980kg.

Thanks

[jjn9128]

Teams as ever with their fingers on the button and "hearing" fans... want another weight increase before next year. On top of the 38kg increase already planned.

[Zynerji]

Back to 1.6M wide, 500kg minimum weight cars please!

[jjn9128]

Back to 1.6M wide, 500kg minimum weight cars please!

I kinda agree. Or at least go back to the rulemakers making rules and teams building cars to them, not asking them to be changed coz it's tooooo haaaaaard.