2022 Regs

[Just_a_fan]

Teams as ever with their fingers on the button and "hearing" fans... want another weight increase before next year. On top of the 38kg increase already planned.

So scrap the silly 18 inch rims and that'll save weight.

Hard to argue with weight increases needed to pass crash tests.

[Just_a_fan]

As long as they want to purchase an engine from either Mercedes, Ferrari or Renault.

They are talking of a "stock" block where you just develop the cylinder heads and ancillaries. After that, a bit of sub-contract work from Mahle and any other speed-shop (like Ilmore or Cosworth) should get you in the ballpark. Especially if they make a standardized Turbo/MGUK/Battery... I'd be more concerned about doing the gearbox, as that seems to be very, very niche to F1 alone.

At that point it might as well become a stock racing series.

I think a stock series F1 would actually be popular with many. In these days of personalities, where drivers are the focus of most of the attention, a series which allows drivers to be simply differentiated would be very popular.

Now, I'm not saying I want it, but I can see demand for it in the "celeb" types.

[Zynerji]

I still like the idea of a shared data formula.

Can run anything that you want (within the basic formula), but you must publish the drawings and simulation data.

That coupled with a "minimum" spending cap would allow for the most advanced F1 cars of all time (no secrets between teams) and put them all within 1% of each other on performance.

Cool, bespoke cars, close racing, zero controversy.

[jjn9128]

I think a stock series F1 would actually be popular with many. In these days of personalities, where drivers are the focus of most of the attention, a series which allows drivers to be simply differentiated would be very popular.

Now, I'm not saying I want it, but I can see demand for it in the "celeb" types.

Sacrilege to suggest that on an F1 technical forum But you're right though. I think this is also where Liberty Media are in terms of direction, the driver not the car is the star.

I wouldn't be against a standard block, it basically already is as the FIA spec bore, capacity, crank pin height...etc

[Zynerji]

I think a stock series F1 would actually be popular with many. In these days of personalities, where drivers are the focus of most of the attention, a series which allows drivers to be simply differentiated would be very popular.

Now, I'm not saying I want it, but I can see demand for it in the "celeb" types.

Sacrilege to suggest that on an F1 technical forum But you're right though. I think this is also where Liberty Media are in terms of direction, the driver not the car is the star.

I wouldn't be against a standard block, it basically already is as the FIA spec bore, capacity, crank pin height...etc

COG, weight distribution, fuel flow, max rpm, minimum tyre pressures...

Its almost spec everywhere else anyways...

[Just_a_fan]

zero controversy.

Oh, you are cute.

Zero controversy? F1? Really? Never going to happen. What would people talk about?

[Zynerji]

zero controversy.

Oh, you are cute.

Zero controversy? F1? Really? Never going to happen. What would people talk about?

The clean wins that happen on track? And not the behind-the-scenes politics for a change?

Ps. Can we get these too?

https://www.inputmag.com/design/micheli ... get-a-flat

[mclaren111]

https://www.racefans.net/2021/09/17/f1- ... t-in-2022/


When will this madness end...

[jjn9128]

https://www.racefans.net/2021/09/17/f1- ... t-in-2022/


When will this madness end...

Pretty sure that's the link I posted to start this convo

Teams as ever with their fingers on the button and "hearing" fans... want another weight increase before next year. On top of the 38kg increase already planned.

[mclaren111]

https://www.racefans.net/2021/09/17/f1- ... t-in-2022/


When will this madness end...

Pretty sure that's the link I posted to start this convo

Teams as ever with their fingers on the button and "hearing" fans... want another weight increase before next year. On top of the 38kg increase already planned.

[OO7]

Compared to the v10 era modern cars lose about 4.5s/lap due to weight, gain 2.8s/lap due to the power (compared to the BMW ~950bhp), gain about 5s/lap from downforce, and lose ~1s from drag. So 2020 cars should be ~2.5s/lap quicker - difficulty is finding a track which has the exact same configuration now as in 2005, Monza I think is the only one (maybe Hungary depending on when T1 profile was changed?), where pole in '05 was 1:21.054 compared to 1:18.887 in '20 (a 2.167s difference).

I'd be surprised if the PU was worth 2.8 seconds per lap compared to the 950bhp BMW unit. Also Bridgestone slick tyres that were tested in 2006 were said to be 2 seconds per lap quicker than there grooved counterparts. The wider tyres introduced in 2017 reduced lap times even further (in isolation).

[JordanMugen]

Or at least go back to the rulemakers making rules and teams building cars to them, not asking them to be changed coz it's tooooo haaaaaard.

Agreed.

Mercedes would be 3.5-4 kg overweight, Ferrari would be in the "fork" between 5 and 10 kg, with Red Bull close to the highest value. The only F1 2022 that could afford ballast was Alfa Romeo thanks to the use of an ultra-light base which, however, proved too fragile. With the C42 that must be strengthened, it is legitimate to expect a minimum weight increase of 5 km by the FIA. It will be discussed in Bahrain. Red Bull had fired a request of 15 kg (a real exaggeration), others would like an increase of 10 kg, but in the end it will reach a value of 5 kg.

Eight quintals. It is quite impressive to think that F1 can correct the minimum weight of 5 kg to reach the round figure of 800 kg, updating the regulation value because nine out of ten teams have admitted to having overweight 2022 cars.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ot ... o/8725227/



If you can't make the minimum weight, tough! I can't believe that some teams are (reportedly) advocating for an increase of minimum weight to 810kg or 805kg.

[vorticism]

From CFD eyes to strain gauge eyes. How are these speculative weights calculated? Do they include the weight of 50 pitot tubes and a couple of GoPros? I've read people seemingly complaining about both the maximum and minimum weight requirement; would heavier ever be better? Depends on what's heavier I guess. Would you ever trade chassis rigidity for some grams, for example.

[Stu]

Or at least go back to the rulemakers making rules and teams building cars to them, not asking them to be changed coz it's tooooo haaaaaard.

Agreed.

Mercedes would be 3.5-4 kg overweight, Ferrari would be in the "fork" between 5 and 10 kg, with Red Bull close to the highest value. The only F1 2022 that could afford ballast was Alfa Romeo thanks to the use of an ultra-light base which, however, proved too fragile. With the C42 that must be strengthened, it is legitimate to expect a minimum weight increase of 5 km by the FIA. It will be discussed in Bahrain. Red Bull had fired a request of 15 kg (a real exaggeration), others would like an increase of 10 kg, but in the end it will reach a value of 5 kg.

Eight quintals. It is quite impressive to think that F1 can correct the minimum weight of 5 kg to reach the round figure of 800 kg, updating the regulation value because nine out of ten teams have admitted to having overweight 2022 cars.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ot ... o/8725227/



If you can't make the minimum weight, tough! I can't believe that some teams are (reportedly) advocating for an increase of minimum weight to 810kg or 805kg.

Agreed.
The weight of the car is a key part of the design challenge. It is also key to tyre performance and braking/acceleration as well as cornering.
If it is difficult to get down to the weight limit, tough! it shouldn’t be a given to be able to use ballast for performance.

[Stu]

From CFD eyes to strain gauge eyes. How are these speculative weights calculated? Do they include the weight of 50 pitot tubes and a couple of GoPros? I've read people seemingly complaining about both the maximum and minimum weight requirement; would heavier ever be better? Depends on what's heavier I guess. Would you ever trade chassis rigidity for some grams, for example.

I, too, have wondered where the information has come from about weights.