2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

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Zynerji wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:30
Ignoring the tyre changes that have helped Merc immensely...🙄
What's the betting folks saying about the introduction of a new, Mercedes friendly compounds in 2022 and at what GP? :D
Hakuna Matata!

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Sevach wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:06
According to Mariana Becker from Bandsports, the team made a choice but the Mexico engine is still alive, it's in the car as we speak, they are changing to ensure reliability to the end of the year.
Don't they have to leave the pits with the new engine to "register" it in the pool? Given that the info came already it's very likely the new one in the car now (?)

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RZS10 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:35
Sevach wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:06
According to Mariana Becker from Bandsports, the team made a choice but the Mexico engine is still alive, it's in the car as we speak, they are changing to ensure reliability to the end of the year.
Don't they have to leave the pits with the new engine to "register" it in the pool? Given that the info came already it's very likely the new one in the car now (?)
Thats for sure the case, not to mention no team would not want to swap a brand new engine into the car right before qualifying and have no time to run checks on it!
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N21 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:36
dans79 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:33
N21 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:28


Thank you for proving my point. Rules are the same for everyone. Stop whining
Not exactly, teams where limited by the token system, so some teams where more hindered by the rule changes than others.
And did some teams get more tokens than others? Exactly. So same rules for everyone right?
You seemed to have missed the point. every team was limited to 2 tokens. Thus if your car was more hindered by the changes nothing you could do about it.

And that' not even taking into account some of the finger points of the homogenization rules.
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Nothing really to gain from that session. Outside of maybe Alpine, everyone looks to be where they should be(McLaren will be up there with the rest of the midfield in quali).

Qualifying will be close.
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N21 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:28
xaero wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:26
N21 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:20
These comments are so childish and cringy. Why can’t you guys just enjoy the fact that the sport is seeing a real fight for the first time in god knows how many seasons.
Real fight :wtf: Random regulation changes just to make Merc slower. RedBull made no progress, but Merc regressed and hence, this artificial fight (and Merc's hand tied behind back). Desperately waiting for next year to see real fight :wink:
Thank you for proving my point. Rules are the same for everyone. Stop whining
Do remember this next year :lol:
We need a miracle. We need only one racing lap.

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So Toto lied once again, what a surprise :D. He would be a good politician.

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dans79 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:33
N21 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:28
xaero wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:26

Real fight :wtf: Random regulation changes just to make Merc slower. RedBull made no progress, but Merc regressed and hence, this artificial fight (and Merc's hand tied behind back). Desperately waiting for next year to see real fight :wink:
Thank you for proving my point. Rules are the same for everyone. Stop whining
Not exactly, teams where limited by the token system, so some teams where more hindered by the rule changes than others.
It's been a good fight, I think everyone can agree with that. although yes, there is plenty argument to say this season hasn't been on equal footing; a regulation change was a bigger disadvantage for one car than the other, in a season where the car designs are baked in pretty much.

The commitment from the teams development was far from equal; RB were fully committed this time and have thrown everything at it along with Honda; massive commitment. MCS They seemed to commit a lot more of their resource and focus to 2022, while RB have been developing all season, possibly still even now at this weekend, reportedly.

In a lot of races, the best team on the day won as well; RB's strategy is the gold standard at the sharp end of the grid, as is their pit crew.

Max has been supremely consistent and is at the peak of his best driving pace now. The hunger and drive to win your first title is showing, he hasn't let up all these years with the commitment and focus off track to build and develop and perform at the highest level. I've been so impressed with how he's handled his position and occasion. I expected him to misjudge when to battle hard, which did show but I definitely didn't imagine he would thrive so well – but it makes sense. He might be a young in physical age, but hes been racing for almost as long as Bottas, and is in his 7th season. He has built up plenty confidence and belief after his last years in the RB and it shows. Good for Max.

The engines haven't been equal this year that's for sure. It's amazing how much Honda has improved from being the least reliable, least powerful, to having the best endurance and durability, and on par power to MCS.

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AeroDynamic wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:46
dans79 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:33
N21 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:28


Thank you for proving my point. Rules are the same for everyone. Stop whining
Not exactly, teams where limited by the token system, so some teams where more hindered by the rule changes than others.
It's been a good fight, I think everyone can agree with that. although yes, there is plenty argument to say this season hasn't been on equal footing; a regulation change was a bigger disadvantage for one car than the other, in a season where the car designs are baked in pretty much.

The commitment from the teams development was far from equal; RB were fully committed this time and have thrown everything at it along with Honda; massive commitment. MCS They seemed to commit a lot more of their resource and focus to 2022, while RB have been developing all season, possibly still even now at this weekend, reportedly.

In a lot of races, the best team on the day won as well; RB's strategy is the gold standard at the sharp end of the grid, as is their pit crew.

Max has been supremely consistent and is at the peak of his best driving pace now. The hunger and drive to win your first title is showing, he hasn't let up all these years with the commitment and focus off track to build and develop and perform at the highest level. I've been so impressed with how he's handled his position and occasion. I expected him to misjudge when to battle hard, which did show but I definitely didn't imagine he would thrive so well – but it makes sense. He might be a young in physical age, but hes been racing for almost as long as Bottas, and is in his 7th season. He has built up plenty confidence and belief after his last years in the RB and it shows. Good for Max.

The engines haven't been equal this year that's for sure. It's amazing how much Honda has improved from being the least reliable, least powerful, to having the best endurance and durability, and on par power to MCS.

I would up vote this if I could!
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xaero wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:42
N21 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:28
xaero wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:26

Real fight :wtf: Random regulation changes just to make Merc slower. RedBull made no progress, but Merc regressed and hence, this artificial fight (and Merc's hand tied behind back). Desperately waiting for next year to see real fight :wink:
Thank you for proving my point. Rules are the same for everyone. Stop whining
Do remember this next year :lol:
You’ve told this the third time now. Any reason you’re so sure about Mercedes dominating a completely new era again apart from the fact they’ve dominated the hybrid era and you thinking this might happen again? Do you think they’re gonna dominate and do a better job than others for all eternity? Could be, of course, but I wouldn’t bet on it like you seem to do.

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The engine penalty for Hamilton pretty much rules him out of the victory. They need to be winning these final four races to stand any chance at the title. After this weekend Verstappen can just cruise home in 2nd for the remaining races to save his engine and reduce the chance of a DNF. It's almost in the bag!

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west52keep64 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 19:08
The engine penalty for Hamilton pretty much rules him out of the victory. They need to be winning these final four races to stand any chance at the title. After this weekend Verstappen can just cruise home in 2nd for the remaining races to save his engine and reduce the chance of a DNF. It's almost in the bag!
I don't think the penalty rules out a win for Hamilton if the Mercedes proves to be the faster race car in Brazil. If he can win the sprint race he is still in the fight for a win, especially with the chance of safety cars and other incidents. But it definitely does make life a lot easier for Max

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Since when is finishing second just cruising? Wether he has the strongest car or not is debatable but it’s pretty clear RBR and Mercedes is really close so there won’t be any cruising for any of them within the top 4

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BlueCheetah66 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 19:25
west52keep64 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 19:08
The engine penalty for Hamilton pretty much rules him out of the victory. They need to be winning these final four races to stand any chance at the title. After this weekend Verstappen can just cruise home in 2nd for the remaining races to save his engine and reduce the chance of a DNF. It's almost in the bag!
I don't think the penalty rules out a win for Hamilton if the Mercedes proves to be the faster race car in Brazil. If he can win the sprint race he is still in the fight for a win, especially with the chance of safety cars and other incidents. But it definitely does make life a lot easier for Max
I doubt Mercedes can be faster on raw speed, they haven't looked faster than the Red Bull all year. They have been better on tyres in some races though, giving them a chance to beat the Red Bull with creative strategies. Unless Mercedes have a big tyre advantage in the long runs, I can't see Hamilton going from 5th to 1st in the race. Verstappen will most likely be leading out of T1, even if he starts in P2. Hamilton needs to fight his way through, using up his tyres while Verstappen is building a gap. It's a pattern we've seen all year long.

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Hammerfist wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:05
dans79 wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 18:01
Ryar wrote:
12 Nov 2021, 17:55
Imagine changing engine for no fault of your own, courtesy Silverstone and Budapest.
Silverstone was maxes fault as far as I'm concerned. If he is going to play with fire all the time by trying to bully people, he will get burned!
ditto
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